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9 March 2017
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Kamala Harris proposed a bill to keep schools open until 6pm so parents can work a full 9-5 job without having to worry about childcare. While i understand why she’s doing this, i hope this doesn’t pass through for a few reasons:
1. Not all schools are created and or staffed equal. Some are really nice with great staff while others are the size of a small restaurant with staff that treat you like s**t.
2. The proposal suggests that it’s up the school to opt in/out of the extra hours, not the parent/child.
3. This would leave kids with very little free time, as little as 2 hours depending on their bedtime.
4. AFAIK there’s nothing stating that schools are required to use this extra time for after school activities.
This leads to inconsistencies. On one hand, you can have a nice big school with great staff that has the optional hours for fun after school activities like sports, music, art, and other fun things, as well as serving the students dinner so the parents don’t have to. But on the other hand, you can have a school the size of a diner with bigoted staff that will punish you for any reason they can that requires all students stay till 6pm to do double the amount of schoolwork they’d do had the bill not passed.
Not worth it IMO.
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27 November 2016
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I agree with your opinion there, DO.
A far better alternative is the system we have in parts of Australia – something called ‘After School Care’. Basically, an outside company is employed by the school to come in and look after the kids – often based at one school at a central location and a few other schools come from walkable distances.
As far as I know there’s no out of pocket cost for the families as it’s a government initiative but I could be wrong – if I am I really shouldn’t be…
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4.10am
26 January 2017
Offline I haven’t seen the bill but I think I agree with you guys. Free time afterwards was the main thing that kept me going through school.
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4.42am
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27 November 2016
Offline QuarryMan said
I haven’t seen the bill but I think I agree with you guys. Free time afterwards was the main thing that kept me going through school.
Couldn’t possibly agree more.
It allowed you to learn… without the confines of a curriculum!
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26 January 2017
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QuarryMan said
I haven’t seen the bill but I think I agree with you guys. Free time afterwards was the main thing that kept me going through school.
Couldn’t possibly agree more.
It allowed you to learn… without the confines of a curriculum!
Precisely. Obviously I’m tremendously grateful to all my teachers and so on, but I find I learn a lot more when I’m free to do things at my own pace purely out of personal interest.
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12.18pm
15 November 2018
Offline Ack! This better not pass!
So instead of resorting to a reasonable solution like aftercare (my elementary school had it and it worked fine) Kamala wants to take away every child’s free time, give teachers absolutely terrible hours, and probably mess up the children’s sleep schedules while she’s at it? Great plan.
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12.55pm
26 January 2017
Offline Here’s a stunning alternative: how about work hours are reduced instead?
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15 November 2018
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I don’t know how well that would work… especially because some people work long hours because their jobs pay so little it’s necessary to survive.
Then again, we could raise the minimum wage…
don’t mind us BBers, creating national policy here in the news thread…
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1.37pm
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17 December 2012
Offline Though when you look at the proposals in the bill, it appears all it is doing is saying that pre-school and after-school provision needs to be offered; it excludes teachers and other school staff being forced to extend their hours, looking to providers outside the school to provide the service; and, most importantly, it is not mandatory for a pupil to attend – that will be the parents decision should they need childcare to accommodate their working hours.
It merely says that a school should offer extended non-curriculum hours to working parents so that they don’t need to pay high private sector costs. It offers the children of lower-income parents that same access to after-school activities that wealthier parents can afford with ease.
Look at what the bill is trying to do before condemning it.
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1.53pm
9 March 2017
Offline Was unable to read the bill online, just news articles about it and the Forbes article was written after i made my post.
Anyways, while it’s great that it’s not mandatory and the activities must be non-curricular, i still feel there are better alternatives to this like cutting the average workday to 9-2 like QuarryMan suggested, which would also give us an excuse to raise the minimum wage to $15 or we can experiment with having free, public, volunteer run day cares.
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2.14pm
15 November 2018
Offline Ron Nasty said
Though when you look at the proposals in the bill, it appears all it is doing is saying that pre-school and after-school provision needs to be offered; it excludes teachers and other school staff being forced to extend their hours, looking to providers outside the school to provide the service; and, most importantly, it is not mandatory for a pupil to attend – that will be the parents decision should they need childcare to accommodate their working hours.It merely says that a school should offer extended non-curriculum hours to working parents so that they don’t need to pay high private sector costs. It offers the children of lower-income parents that same access to after-school activities that wealthier parents can afford with ease.
Look at what the bill is trying to do before condemning it.
So basically beforecare and aftercare?
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17 December 2012
Offline Yeah, breakfast clubs and after-school activities.
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2.52pm
15 November 2018
Offline Oh… that’s good, then. I hope they’re actually decent programs instead of fifty kids in a room with a bored babysitter…
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15 February 2015
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50yearslate said
Oh… that’s good, then. I hope they’re actually decent programs instead of fifty kids in a room with a bored babysitter…
My trust in the government to do anything of this sort makes me lean toward suspecting it would be the latter… that’s all I have to say. 
Of course, when it comes to education I’m particularly libertarian as someone who was homeschooled, so… 
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5.53pm
26 January 2017
Offline I think homeschooling can be pretty dangerous too, though (no offence, obviously, since you’re a testament to how well it can go!). Anyone remember that Louis Theroux documentary where he meets those two kids who’d been raised by their mother to be a neo-Nazi pop duo? That’s how badly it can go wrong, if some nutjob like that is given free rein to entirely control the media their children can consume.
Though I’m also not really in favour of government run education, which can be really shoddy and poorly run, and I’m definitely not in favour of private education, since here in the UK nothing does more to perpetuate class differences than private schooling. Which sets me as kinda stumped on this issue. I guess I’d lean most heavily towards community led schools if they could be run with smaller class sizes and without the one-size-fits-all curriculum that comes with public education.
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6.04pm
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17 December 2012
Offline The only proof needed that unregulated homeschooling is a bad thing is the Westboro Baptist Church or many other cult religions – David Koresh anyone; not all homeschooling is bad, much of it is good, but the situation should never arise where the children involved become invisible to the state, and that their education is completely unmonitored.
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15 February 2015
Offline Well, not completely unregulated. I did have to take yearly state tests to make sure we weren’t just being neglected, and I don’t have a problem with that. Yes, I learned to read and write and do basic maths. 
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I went to what was considered to be a good public school (nice suburban middle-class neighborhood), and I still can’t do most basic maths. Maybe if I had been homeschooled…
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6.16am
26 January 2017
Offline I guess putting too much influence over education in the hands of one group is dangerous in itself. I would generally trust government to run it, but certain things make me lose trust. For example, you’d’ve expected the modern Britain A Level history course that I took to have begun in 1945, and it did, until the Conservative government got in in 2010 and handily nudged the curriculum so it now starts in 1951, conveniently ignoring the 1945-51 Attlee Labour government that many consider one of the best the UK has ever had.
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9 March 2017
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