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17 October 2013
Offline I know this is getting on people’s nerves……
But it is important to look at how figures are being manipulated to scare the pants off us…….
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7.31pm
17 October 2013
Offline You know they always said………..or suggested.. the people are dumb because they don’t have access to information…….They can’t say that today.
We’re swamped with information……But it’s hard to sift through the masses of information and decide for ourselves who’s lying? who’s mistaken?…..who’s right?
I’m coming to the conclusion that ……simply put…….’Wrong is the new right’
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26 January 2017
Offline It’s also so difficult to know which sources to trust. Even if you don’t like Bernie/AOC and their brand of democratic socialism, I think they’re doing important work exposing how much billionaires can influence affairs in ways most people had no idea about until very recently. They tend to focus on the oil barons and such, but it’s particularly resonant in terms of media and how those at the top who want to push a particular narrative (be it liberal or conservative) can do it so easily… Manufacturing consent.
I have my issues with the BBC (their covering up of well-known pedophiles in their ranks for decades, for instance) but visiting the USA and watching both CNN and Fox made me very grateful we have TV news that at least aims to be impartial, even if it doesn’t always succeed. The hosts on those shows don’t even attempt to appear objective.
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15 November 2018
Offline Wigwam said
You know they always said………..or suggested.. the people are dumb because they don’t have access to information…….They can’t say that today.
Except they can… some people don’t read/watch the news…
We’re swamped with information……But it’s hard to sift through the masses of information and decide for ourselves who’s lying? who’s mistaken?…..who’s right?
Very, very true.
I’m coming to the conclusion that ……simply put…….’Wrong is the new right’
Not quite sure what you mean by this… I think it’s just harder to discern wrong from right, and sometimes they overlap a bit.
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Offline 50yearslate said
Wigwam said
You know they always said………..or suggested.. the people are dumb because they don’t have access to information…….They can’t say that today.
Except they can… some people don’t read/watch the news…
We’re swamped with information……But it’s hard to sift through the masses of information and decide for ourselves who’s lying? who’s mistaken?…..who’s right?
Very, very true.
I’m coming to the conclusion that ……simply put…….’Wrong is the new right’
Not quite sure what you mean by this… I think it’s just harder to discern wrong from right, and sometimes they overlap a bit.
Right is only half of what’s wrong.
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7.39pm
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17 December 2012
Offline Blanket diplomatic immunity is a disgrace.
We have a case here in the UK where a diplomat’s wife driving on the wrong side of the road (it is alleged) killed 19-year-old Harry Dunn on 27 August when she hit his motorbike head on. She stated that she had diplomatic immunity but would co-operate with the investigation. She has now returned to the US, with the Embassy stating that America rarely waives diplomatic immunity.
I get the sense of diplomatic immunity when it applies to a diplomat breaking local laws in order to do their job, and I also get the sense of diplomatic immunity where something wouldn’t be a crime in the country they come from (consumption of alcohol, homosexuality, adultery, those kind of social things).
It is a disgrace to me though, that something which would probably have resulted in a criminal charge had it happened in America, where she couldn’t claim diplomatic immunity, she should have the American Government protecting her against prosecution because it happened here.
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9 March 2017
Offline That sucks but even if you don’t have diplomatic immunity, being rich means you don’t have to suffer the same consequences an average person would have to face if they had commited the crime. Hell, Vince Neil and Bruce Jenner did the same thing and only got off with a slap on the wrist (Vince spent 2 weeks in prison and did some other things while Jenner was only tried in civil court and had to pay $800K) whereas if an average person did this, it could easily get them 5 years in prison.
The irony is that if this was the other way around in that 19 year old boy was driving on the wrong side of the road and ran over the diplomat’s wife, he likely would’ve been sentenced harshly.
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18 March 2013
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Can we all spare a moment and think of the current babies and future generations who will have to try and somehow make sense of the Brexit mess currently ongoing, in their history classes?
I do not envy the planning for those essays.
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2.34pm
9 March 2017
Offline Here’s a great satirical video that explains the complexity of it in a nutshell:
It’s weird how Brexit has gone on for so long that people who are anti-Brexit now just want the UK to get it over with and leave the EU because they’re so sick and tired of Theresa (and now Boris) stalling the process for seemingly forever because they want a deal they can’t get.
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17 December 2012
Offline Slow down there, @Dark Overlord, Brexiter propaganda. While many of us against Brexit do want it over, many of us want it decided with a second referendum rather than whatever the Tories decide to inflict on us.
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6.36pm
17 October 2013
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Slow down there, @Dark Overlord, Brexiter propaganda. While many of us against Brexit do want it over, many of us want it decided with a second referendum rather than whatever the Tories decide to inflict on us.
I recall that it was decided in the first referendum……..
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17 December 2012
Offline Whatever was said, the first referendum was advisory, @Wigwam, and a second could be made binding.
During the campaign for the first referendum we were told that a deal with Europe would be easy. The last three+ years have shown that not to be the case, and no-deal is looking likely, despite polls showing the majority are against a no-deal Brexit.
A General Election cannot be guaranteed to result in a majority Government, and would likely be about more than Brexit anyway.
A second referendum appears to me to be the only way out of this mess, and I never understand why Brexiters are so against it if they believe the country would be happy with going out on no-deal.
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15 November 2018
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17 October 2013
Offline Ron Nasty said
Whatever was said, the first referendum was advisory, @Wigwam, and a second could be made binding.During the campaign for the first referendum we were told that a deal with Europe would be easy. The last three+ years have shown that not to be the case, and no-deal is looking likely, despite polls showing the majority are against a no-deal Brexit.
A General Election cannot be guaranteed to result in a majority Government, and would likely be about more than Brexit anyway.
A second referendum appears to me to be the only way out of this mess, and I never understand why Brexiters are so against it if they believe the country would be happy with going out on no-deal.
The first referendum asked people to vote either ‘leave’ or ‘stay’…..and they were advised that Parliament would abide by the decision either way.
If you don’t understand why those in the majority who voted ‘leave’ get worked up whenever another referendum is mentioned? Let me explain……It’s to do with democracy.
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17 December 2012
Offline I always remember Nigel Farage on the night of the referendum, @Wigwam, when he thought Leave had lost, saying it wasn’t over and they’d start campaigning for another referendum straight away.
Why is it that the Brexiter General supported another referendum when he thought he’d lost but now says, since his side won, a second referendum would break democracy?
Do you honestly believe that had the Brexit vote been Remain those that believe in Brexit would have just accepted the result and not started the campaign for a second referendum? If you don’t, why is it so strange that those who believe in Remain want a referendum on whether the terms of leaving – be that an unlikely deal or the more likely no-deal – are acceptable or if, having seen the problems leaving would cause, they would prefer to remain?
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10.18pm
17 October 2013
Offline For me either way it went it was over……No complaints….Job done.
I can’t posit what might or might not have happened had remain won…I think given 2/3rds of parliament are remainers it’s likely to have been accepted without much argument from the voters……Loser’s consent……..However, it’s clear to me that you’re just using weasel words to twist the argument onto an issue you feel more comfortable defending…..’What if?’ and What about?’ …..and thereby ignoring that a democratic vote has already been held, the votes were tallied and that those on the ‘leave’ side won that vote have the right to feel put-out by how Parliament has twisted and slithered us to into delay…….
Back to what you began with……You’re arguing that the only way to resolve this is to call the referendum 2016 null and void hold another more meaningful referendum ……..For some reason this referendum would actually count whereas the last one obviously didn’t…..It would be the same same but different.
You might be right that another referendum would be worth all the division and anger and actually resolve things….So would a clear stance from all the major parties on their position and a General Election held……
I’m not frite of either…….I am however (and I’m sure with even a scintilla of empathy you would understand this) deeply concerned at how our democratic leaders seem to be all in favour of democracy…….unless the people don’t vote the way they our leaders want them to vote.
Not much longer to wait…….I hope
6.31am
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17 December 2012
Offline So, it appears that Boris has got himself a Brexit deal, though whether he can get it through the House of Commons when they sit on Saturday (the first Saturday sitting since the Falklands War in 1982) is still a big question.
At last year’s Conservative Party Conference, before he became Prime Minister, he railed against the idea of a customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK, condemning the idea and saying no Conservative leader would ever, could ever, go down that road to get rid of the backstop.
So, how has Boris got rid of the backstop? He’s gone for a customs and regulatory border in the Irish Sea between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
The DUP (Democratic Unionist Party), whose 10 votes will be essential to Boris and his minority Government getting his deal through Parliament, have already said that they cannot support the deal as it stands. It’s not known how the ERG (European Research Group) Conservatives always cited the lack of DUP support when voting against Prime Minister May’s deal.
It’s going to be an interesting few days.
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7.27am
26 January 2017
Offline I probably should have posted about this a few days ago, but Trump is pulling US forces out of Syria. Now, this is something I never thought I’d be unhappy about, since US military presence has been one of the worst contributors to the Middle Eastern conflict, but this is pretty much leaving the north of Syria entirely open for Turkey to move in and ‘resettle’ around 2 million Syrian refugees in the area currently occupied by the autonomous Kurdish region of Rojava, which could lead to both ethnic cleansing and the destruction of the Rojava experiment in democratic federalism, which is one of the biggest sources of hope for people like me right now.
The Syrian response has been for Assad to send troops to the border to try and repel the Turkish forces, so hopefully this can protect the Kurds, but that makes me fear that Assad will just use the opportunity to take away Rojava’s autonomy.
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