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26 January 2017
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Thanks for the info; I will definitely have to look into that more. It makes you wonder how much Trump himself is involved in this and how much is his advisers.
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He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
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9.47pm
17 October 2013
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I found yesterday’s (unintended for general consumption) revelation by Dean Banquet the Editorial Chief of the NYT’s staggering! His admission of the ‘newspaper’s’ projection and bias for the last two years……. corroborating and confirming its obvious bias to many of us. He compounded my stunned reaction by going on to slap himself on the back for getting it wrong consistently for 2 years.
Hand back those Pulitzers with an apology sir…..You’ve done journalism no credit.
We now know that the focus of the last two years has been shown to be a giant ‘nothing-burgher’ and so a shift is called for and a new focus has been selected for us to banquet on………
The NYT’s will move smoothly into, ‘Trump’s a racist’ mode……..Putting all it’s endeavours towards convincing us of this.
https://www.washingtonexaminer…..ump-racism
I’m not looking for an argument here just think people should have a read …….
Make up your own minds…..
Personally I think there’s a place for editorial opinions in every paper……but feel newspapers should report the news…..You don’t know what the news tomorrow will be…..Unless you make it up……That’s dishonest, disingenuous and lazy.
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Wow! Yeah, and…? 
Like Fox News ain’t completely biased the other way… It’s what US media law allows.
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10.09pm
17 October 2013
Offline Fox News is certainly an opinion based network ……..None of its evening shows claim to be anything else…there’s honestly to that.
I agree all newspapers have a bias……However, what’s worrying to me, (though as we’ve already seen, not to others)….Is apart from it’s lack of honesty the NYT’s sole mission for two years + was ultimately proved to be incorrect and it’s a fact that either none of their journalists were capable of working that out?… Or they sat on news that didn’t fit their bias?
3.07pm
11 September 2018
Offline All newspapers etc report the ‘news’, it’s just the ‘news’ for one newspaper is often very different to the news of another. Even if it’s about the same subject, the angles/opinions are usually from opposite sides. The Media is arguably the most powerful tool in the UK when it comes to forming public opinion about anything (Brexit, the Goverment – Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, Immigration, the Royal Family et al.) Joe Bloggs thinks he’s capable of forming his own ideas, but I’d guess they’d been largely given to him by the pre-dominantly right-wing media).
7.33pm
17 October 2013
Offline Tony Japanese said
All newspapers etc report the ‘news’, it’s just the ‘news’ for one newspaper is often very different to the news of another. Even if it’s about the same subject, the angles/opinions are usually from opposite sides. The Media is arguably the most powerful tool in the UK when it comes to forming public opinion about anything (Brexit, the Goverment – Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, Immigration, the Royal Family et al.) Joe Bloggs thinks he’s capable of forming his own ideas, but I’d guess they’d been largely given to him by the pre-dominantly right-wing media).
Agree that they all spin…..Not sure I agree with the assertion that the British press is predominately Right…..Even if you qualify it by the issues you highlight. Just like the parties themselves the papers of all parties split on some issues especially Brexit.
The Guardian – Centre Left (Labour, some Lib Dem)
The Independent – Centre Left (Labour and Lib Dem)
The Observer – Centre Left (Labour and Lib Dem)
The Financial Times – Centrist (Mixed)
The Times – Centrist (Mixed)
The Telegraph – Centre Right (Conservative)
The i – Centre Left (Labour and Lib Dem)
The Morning Star – Left (Socialist parties, some Labour)
Mirror – Centre Left (Labour)
Express – Right (Conservative, UKIP)
Mail – Right (Conservative, UKIP)
Sun – Right (Conservative)
Star – Right (Conservative and far right parties)
Depending on how you view the mixed centrist……given the left leanings of the Liberal press and the derision aimed at denying the Sun and Star as being newspapers at all…..Then the balance seems about right and Joe Bloggs’ like myself …and you.. have a reasonably balanced diet to go with their ‘eggs on ‘oly’ or their ‘croissant and skinny white latte’
However, if you add to the list the BBC and the perennially left leaning faculties at universities and there seems a weighting to the liberal/left when it comes to opinion forming……That’s how I read it anyway.
I grew up with nothing but the Daily Mirror on the table…….Forming only the opinion that men who didn’t turn to the back pages first weren’t to be trusted….That was until page 3 came along of course.
My opinions was changed from being Labour born and bred by the almost ungovernability of the UK in the 1970’s brought about by the unions during the miner’s strike. I had sympathy for the miners but saw something more sinister at work and was grateful when Thatcher stood up to them.
I thought Blaire was good..until he wasn’t…..
I think in the end I don’t trust many politicians and my opinions are often changing…….
So they all spin…..I’ve no set allegiance …..
But to the point ……to discover the extent of the NYT’s planning in it’s anti-Trump campaign still surprised me….
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Offline If talking about the papers then there is a prominent requirement, surely written in law, that says that the clip below must be posted.
In other news Donald Trump is considering buying Greenland despite Greenland openly not wanting, needing or looking to sell itself, but why let minor details get in the way. And if one idiot isn’t enough (and you’ve had an overload of Boris so need an alternate source of stupidity and uselessness) then Jeremy has come up with a plan so s**t it’s impressive even for him; MP’s vote for Jeremy after voting yes to Boris being competent. Plankton would do better than these three idiots.
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Ron Nasty said
Wow! Yeah, and…?Like Fox News* ain’t completely biased the other way… It’s what US media law allows.
*…not to mention the “Washington Examiner”
Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.
6.33pm
17 October 2013
Offline Sometimes politics is about an actual choice…..That’s after many many choices have been made prior to you actually getting one.
By that I mean political parties usual processes are designed towards selecting candidates that they consider will give them the greatest chance of success…..By being acceptable to most people. Designed, manufactured popularity. (A bit like Brian Epstein’s efforts to make more acceptable…..Which they resented.)
Often that marketability entails choosing a candidate that will say whatever is needed to win…..’You don’t like these principles I’ve got others’
Once selected by committees…then Focus groups will feed opinions into the politician’s mouths and our slippery politicians act purely as mouthpieces.
It takes some talent and ambition to be so successfully insincere…..
But back to our choice. As far as the Conservative leader is concerned the ordinary public haven’t been involved in selecting the last two……No choice….
However, if I had one I’d choose Johnson over May…..I like him. It’s easy and trendy to deride him as a buffoon. He isn’t. His first appearance as PM in Parliament was as impressive a debut as I’ve ever seen or read of. After an inaugural prepared speech he dealt with Jeremy pretty easily and then stayed on for more than an hour answering questions from both sides of the aisle……The SNP weasels were out for blood…..The Lib Dems were going for the throat…..Labour too digging into his personal life and public record…His gaffs in the FO and anything that could be used to smear him and taint his acceptability for high office. Wide ranging political international, economic and domestic issues were brought up willy nilly without the usual ‘backstop’ sitting just behind the front bench with their coloured crib sheets to whisper in a PM’s ear. It was impressive……I had to admit to being pleasantly surprised with the consummate ease with which they were all brushed aside. I like him but I didn’t think he was so fast on his feet.
It’s all on the internet ……Take a look….If anyone is really interested.
Corbyn…..I’m not a fan but he was chosen by a great number of the British voters. I think he actually has principles but he cares about his principles more than he does about the British people…That make him a very dangerous man. There’s an Andrew Neil interview that revealed the extent of his disregard for the safety of the UK. He’d keep our Trident fleet because of the jobs it creates (at enormous cost)….But he would only send the Subs to sea without their nuclear missiles.
As for Trump?…..He, like the other two breaks the mould. Trump more than any though is an un-filtered product …..Un-Brian- Epstein’ed if you like. Trump is a product of a successful life, not a wish-washy focus group.
For all the herd mentality derision from the self proclaimed US elites……. The US public was offered, for perhaps one of the first times ever a pure an unadulterated CHOICE…..
In a choice between him and Hilary the US made absolutely the right one……And they know it.
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15 November 2018
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I live in the US, and I most certainly don’t know that. I don’t think Clinton would have been a great president, but I think she would be a good deal better than Trump.
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8.49pm
17 October 2013
Offline 50yearslate said
When I say ‘they’ I’m speaking in terms of the result of the 2016 vote, where Trump won 304 against 227 of the electoral vote. Those voters know they got it right…Of course there’s another viewpoint……Like yours for instance. I recognise there is a lot of support for Hillary.
But in what ways do you think she would have been better?
Based on all you know about Hillary……what specifically do you think she would have done differently and better regarding say….The economy, jobs, the rejuvenation of US manufacturing, energy…..Israel, taking on China…Russia…..Iran? The border, illegal immigration?
Just pick one….. or a couple of those items so I can see something of your reasoning for having such faith in Hillary.
Late edit in……..
Not living in the US and so admittedly not on a daily basis connected to its politics I concede I’m comparatively out of touch…..
I was already struggling to think of a single foreign policy achievement, (only Benghazi came to mind)..But thinking there must be something of note in her political resumé I found myself wondering about Hillary’s record in the Senate prior to becoming Sec’ State……and so I checked Hillary’s achievements whilst she was there……She served 2 terms from 2001 until 2009.
In 9 years work…… of the bills she sponsored, only three actually became law … One established a historic site in New York, one renamed a post office and one named a highway.
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Offline 5 Reasons I Think Hillary Would Have Been Better Than Trump:
1. She had no plans of building an enormous, expensive, virtually useless border wall.
2. She cares about and wanted to expand racial, LGBT, and women’s rights and is pro-choice (perhaps not a pro for everybody but it certainly is for me)
3. She wanted to improve the Affordable Care Act, while Trump pledged to destroy Obamacare
4. I’m no expert in economics but her economic plan sounded all right to me
5. She does not share Trump’s views on Muslim people (let’s not go into detail on this one as we’ve already had quite a lengthy debate) and had no plans for a Muslim ban.
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17 October 2013
Offline Thank you 50YTL…….
50yearslate said
5 Reasons I Think Hillary Would Have Been Better Than Trump:1. She had no plans of building an enormous, expensive, virtually useless border wall.
2. She cares about and wanted to expand racial, LGBT, and women’s rights and is pro-choice (perhaps not a pro for everybody but it certainly is for me)
3. She wanted to improve the Affordable Care Act, while Trump pledged to destroy Obamacare
4. I’m no expert in economics but her economic plan sounded all right to me
5. She does not share Trump’s views on Muslim people (let’s not go into detail on this one as we’ve already had quite a lengthy debate) and had no plans for a Muslim ban.
1. As you know Hillary voted for a ‘useless wall’ in 2006.
2.Despite an earlier thorny relationship with the LGBT and Gay community she did say she cared for these groups in the 2016 election. She also defended Roe V Wade and feminist issues…….She also embraced the #Me Too movement……
…It’s ironic though that, Willey, Broaddrick, and Jones, all supported Trump and sat in the audience during one of the debates…..Certainly her behaviour; either where her husband was concerned or her defence of one of her staff members….. (when Burns Strider was accused of sexual harassment she kept him on and reassigned the woman making the claim)… was revealing. It showed that when it actually comes to protecting survivors Hillary was just another example to ‘survivors’ that people in power will protect people in power.
Therefore a supporter of women until their words hit too close to home……
3. I don’t claim to understand the ‘ins-and-outs’ of this subject You, I’m sure are correct in what you say…..I’m not sure if that is a good or bad thing however.
4.What was her economic plan? Trump’s plan seems to be working outstandingly well, not sure her plan would have served the US as well or better? Perhaps, if it’s not too arduous you can say why it is in fact superior.
5. You are wrong here in that there has never been a muslim ban….The countries in question were a small percentage of the world’s muslim countries and the list in any case was Obama’s Hillary would have contributed to drawing it up.
Thanks again 50YTL I appreciate your reply…..
We just disagree in part……And that’s okay.
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Offline Wigwam said
Thank you 50YTL…….50yearslate said
5 Reasons I Think Hillary Would Have Been Better Than Trump:
1. She had no plans of building an enormous, expensive, virtually useless border wall.
2. She cares about and wanted to expand racial, LGBT, and women’s rights and is pro-choice (perhaps not a pro for everybody but it certainly is for me)
3. She wanted to improve the Affordable Care Act, while Trump pledged to destroy Obamacare
4. I’m no expert in economics but her economic plan sounded all right to me
5. She does not share Trump’s views on Muslim people (let’s not go into detail on this one as we’ve already had quite a lengthy debate) and had no plans for a Muslim ban.
1. As you know Hillary voted for a ‘useless wall’ in 2006.
Actually, I didn’t know that. Would someone mind filling me in?
2.Despite an earlier thorny relationship with the LGBT and Gay community she did say she cared for these groups in the 2016 election. She also defended Roe V Wade and feminist issues…….She also embraced the #Me Too movement……
…It’s ironic though that, Willey, Broaddrick, and Jones, all supported Trump and sat in the audience during one of the debates…..Certainly her behaviour; either where her husband was concerned or her defence of one of her staff members….. (when Burns Strider was accused of sexual harassment she kept him on and reassigned the woman making the claim)… was revealing. It showed that when it actually comes to protecting survivors Hillary was just another example to ‘survivors’ that people in power will protect people in power.
Therefore a supporter of women until their words hit too close to home……
“The abortion bans in Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Mississippi are appalling attacks on women’s lives and fundamental freedoms. Women’s rights are human rights. We will not go back.” – Hillary Clinton.
Yep, sounds pretty misogynistic to me 
3. I don’t claim to understand the ‘ins-and-outs’ of this subject You, I’m sure are correct in what you say…..I’m not sure if that is a good or bad thing however.
I suppose it depends on your political leanings, but affordable health care sounds like a pretty good thing to me.
4.What was her economic plan? Trump’s plan seems to be working outstandingly well, not sure her plan would have served the US as well or better? Perhaps, if it’s not too arduous you can say why it is in fact superior.
5. You are wrong here in that there has never been a muslim ban….The countries in question were a small percentage of the world’s muslim countries and the list in any case was Obama’s Hillary would have contributed to drawing it up.
Call it what you like, Wigwam, she didn’t announce her intentions to impose travel bans against this small percentage of Muslim countries.
Thanks again 50YTL I appreciate your reply…..
We just disagree in part……And that’s okay.
Maybe I was born 50YTE
No problem, I quite enjoy these discussions.
And just out of curiousity, where’d the T come from? 
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17 October 2013
Offline ‘And just out of curiousity, where’d the T come from?’
My fault…..Probably due to the speed reading course I did as a young man……
I read, ‘War and Peace’ in a day………..er… it’s about Russia.
We all make mistakes………By the way where did that ‘u’ come from?
Off to the gym now get back to you later….Cheers!!
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Much as technology has developed, the internet has remained unbelievably silent like this whole issue just somehow vaporized. Third world crisis is always easy to be ignored.
Everyone—I don’t know how to help, but at least we can spread the information, gather a larger crowd to enforce some measures. Compared to ongoing arguments about Trump, this is much more meaningful.
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6.02am
17 October 2013
Offline A football pitch of rainforest every minute…..Makes me angry.
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Offline 50yearslate said
Wigwam said
Thank you 50YTL…….
1. As you know Hillary voted for a ‘useless wall’ in 2006.
Actually, I didn’t know that. Would someone mind filling me in?
Hi just google it….You might be surprised how Schumer and Pelosi too have flipped on this issue. All things Obama good..All things Trump bad.
2.Despite an earlier thorny relationship with the LGBT and Gay community she did say she cared for these groups in the 2016 election. She also defended Roe V Wade and feminist issues…….She also embraced the #Me Too movement……
…It’s ironic though that, Willey, Broaddrick, and Jones, all supported Trump and sat in the audience during one of the debates…..Certainly her behaviour; either where her husband was concerned or her defence of one of her staff members….. (when Burns Strider was accused of sexual harassment she kept him on and reassigned the woman making the claim)… was revealing. It showed that when it actually comes to protecting survivors Hillary was just another example to ‘survivors’ that people in power will protect people in power.
Therefore a supporter of women until their words hit too close to home……
“The abortion bans in Alabama, Georgia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Mississippi are appalling attacks on women’s lives and fundamental freedoms. Women’s rights are human rights. We will not go back.” – Hillary Clinton.Yep, sounds pretty misogynistic to me
Didn’t say she was misogynistic……Didn’t say that at all….
Just saying she might be insincere…..Consider if you will her flip flop on TPP, NAFTA…Her husband’s shenanigans obviously…. and there might be more of that to come with the Epstein case……Let’s see how she handles it…..
I haven’t mentioned the Clinton Foundation which was set up so that the wealthy could buy access to her one she was ‘enthroned’ as President.
When she ran for the Dem’ selection she would have had to consider all the sections and wings of her party……It could be she simply saw LGTB rights as a winner for her…….As I’ve said I’m never sure about her sincerity….To be fair to her I feel like that about nearly all politicians ….(Trump owes no bugger anything, makes him for me more believable…warts and all).
3. I don’t claim to understand the ‘ins-and-outs’ of this subject You, I’m sure are correct in what you say…..I’m not sure if that is a good or bad thing however.
I suppose it depends on your political leanings, but affordable health care sounds like a pretty good thing to me.
It does to me too…….. How was it to be financed?
4.What was her economic plan? Trump’s plan seems to be working outstandingly well, not sure her plan would have served the US as well or better? Perhaps, if it’s not too arduous you can say why it is in fact superior.
It might have worked….I can’t say either way……but I doubt it would have brought about the benefits Trump’s policies have produced. The cut and paste doesn’t answer why you think it was superior to what Trump has produced …You dodged that bit didn’t you?
5. You are wrong here in that there has never been a muslim ban….The countries in question were a small percentage of the world’s muslim countries and the list in any case was Obama’s Hillary would have contributed to drawing it up.
Call it what you like, Wigwam, she didn’t announce her intentions to impose travel bans against this small percentage of Muslim countries.
I don’t call it a muslim ban because it wasn’t….
True she didn’t announce that…..(obviously)….Though she would have been involved in the list’s creation……I’m actually recognising that as an achievement on her behalf…..something she should have been proud of…She hasn’t much else she can claim.
Thanks again 50YTL I appreciate your reply…..
We just disagree in part……And that’s okay.
Maybe I was born 50YTE
No problem, I quite enjoy these discussions.
And just out of curiousity, where’d the T come from?
Sorry about the format……..I think it’s pretty clear what are my responses.
Thanks again..
PS I have no pretensions that I could change your thinking……Just want to inform you and others….Even if you reject everything I say……. to reject it effectively ….you’ll have to at least consider what I’ve said…..
That’s all.
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I hope I’m not the last person on the forum to know about this—The Amazon Rainforest is burning, for two weeks. Lives of local residents and endangered animals are threatened. Furthermore, the global climate will be seriously affected by the damage of Amazon. According to some Brazilian netizens, their government is quite irresponsible about environment and has something to do with the fire.
Much as technology has developed, the internet has remained unbelievably silent like this whole issue just somehow vaporized. Third world crisis is always easy to be ignored.
Everyone—I don’t know how to help, but at least we can spread the information, gather a larger crowd to enforce some measures. Compared to ongoing arguments about Trump, this is much more meaningful.
That’s truly terrible, I had no idea.
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Offline It’s been on the BBC news site. Deforestation in the Amazon is at insane levels which is obviously against the concerns over global warming.
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