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Starr Shine? said
The thing is, I don’t want the wall, I don’t want to give trump the victory, then he can just do this crud any time he doesn’t get what he wants. Plus this will boost his voterbase and increase the odds of him winning next election.
Great, much better than attributing anthropomorphic properties to the wall….’The Wall is dumb’…. Nancy does that when she says the wall is ‘immoral’ ……..Tell the Pope walls are immoral, Nancy……Then maybe he will tear down the wall he has that surrounds the entire Vatican.
You’ve explained your feelings for the wall here are based only on Trump……Nothing to do with the wall either way. Hate Trump, beat Trump don’t let Trump gain voters….Voters he might gain out of gratitude.
At least I’m clear now on your thinking ……………Against anything Trump is for, and for anything he is against.
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17 October 2013
Offline Starr Shine? said
Wigwam said
Starr Shine? said
The wall is dumb.
All walls are ‘dumb’……
An Israeli at the Wailing Wall asked what he prays there for?…He answered, ‘World peace and happiness and plenty for all peoples of the world’
And how do you feel after all these years?
‘I feel like Ive been talking to a brick wall.”
I know the feeling……
Question: Even Democrats think the wall already built works……Would you tear it down?…Or if it’s working would that be dumb?
This wall has nothing to do with any other. Don’t equate them.
I think it does……
The success and Democrat support for the wall that already exists on the border that we’re talking about…… It’s success…… These factors equate exactly. Couldn’t equate more actually.
For explanation The ‘Wailing Wall[ story was just another joke.
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17 October 2013
Offline The Hole Got Fixed said
@Ahhh Girl post 1988 needs approval before it gets lost…Between when I said I’d make a post and now quite a few of my thoughts were posted so this will be shorter than I thought.
First: The crap about socialism ‘infecting’ schools. Obviously as an Australian I have no idea about specifics to do with the American school system, but we are presented the facts in our humanties subjects, and we are left to make up our own minds. It simply appears that millennials and Generation Z are much more empathatic and compassionate than, say, the Baby Boomers. Most of us (and sure, not all of us, I need to make that clear) want to see the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing crap shitholes that aren’t fit to live in find a better home, because that’s called caring for others less fortunate. A tiny amount of immigrants have bad intentions – and those that do will find a way to do them anyway, but the people who’ve lost everything and are making a new home won’t have a way of doing so if we don’t look out for them. And part of why there are so many Middle Eastern refugees – America cause a whole lot of trouble there, so they can deal with all the refugees (though I don’t see why, for example Australia *ahem current government *ahem* couldn’t take more* as a result.
In fact, you keep talking about crime. I don’t know if it changed after August, but I read from multiple sources that all 159 mass shooting last year until sometime in August were by white people born in America. Not a single black person, not a single immigrant.
As for the cost – 5 billion dollars is a lot for something that likely won’t work, whereas they could spend it on much more pressing matters – youth suicide prevention, housing the homeless, not building another luxury skyscraper for the orange baby… list goes on.
Beatlebug said
Aaaand we don’t have people scrambling into America through the US-Canadian border, either.
Ha! Sorry, that was a funny thing to read, I did chuckle when I read it. The thing is… you do! But because they’re generally more white, noone cares and all turn a blind eye. I know for a fact that because Canada is a much more pleasant, compassionate country, the inevitable wrongdoers that want to wrongdo in the US travel via Canada much more than you think – so why not build a wall there? That’d upset some more people.
Beatlebug said
And don’t even get me started on the mainstream media — I’ll start sounding like a gun-toting MAGA-hat-wearing Trump supporter**, but it’s true — they’ve gone to the dogs.
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Okayyyyyyy… sure… I’m not American so I can’t remember if I’ve remembered them all but from 2 minutes of research you’ve forgotten that the only real left leaning news agency is CNN, the others are either pseudo-left but actually centre, or right. And don’t get me started on Fox News, that really has gone to the dogs…
Also Beatlebug – before I forget, I’ve been under this impression the entire time I’ve been on this forum that you’re left wing. I’m shocked to find out I’m wrong – obviously I respect that, but you’re the first (and I do know a lot) LGBTQI+ person who is right wing… just an interesting observation there.
Wigwam said
Beatlebug helpfully explained why I mentioned it’s not my direct problem….Not a being US citizen and I’ll add too old to witness how this will all pan out. I wonder why I worry?
Exactly. The older you are, the less your political decisions affect your life, but the more they do young people’s lives. A huge surge of the aforementioned Millenials and Generation Z are left wing because they’ve seen the damage your generation has done to so many things, and we’re not going to do that, we are going to be the change. We are thinking of the future – our future (and I really don’t want to sound mean but you yourself said you’re old, so not yours unless you break records for longevity) and we want to see it brighter than what it is. The ABC (Australian one) found something like 2/3 of people my age (16-ish) are extremely worried about home ownership, because of YOUR GENERATION’s privileges and so many of you all own about 143340876345876 investment homes, meaning we don’t get any. That’s not fair. We deserve a future that’s better than what it is.
So that said – I live in what’s been called until last year the most liveable city in the world for 8 years, in a first world country in an upper-middle class society. I can’t imagine what the refugees from places like this place I got in a game of Geoguessr a few days ago think about their future – they are in need of so much more than anyone on this forum could ever imagine (and if that is wrong, and anyone is in that situation, I am sorry).
So, longer than I thought, but I got a bit broader than I expected. I hope this doesn’t tarnish my award of ‘most respectful even through disagreements’, but I did do a lot of editing and I do feel VERY strongly about this.
@Wigwam I hope this meets your expectation of learning something somehow.
I’ve learned that you think old people should not have a vote……Or a vote that’s equal to the vote of a young person. What age is the old age cut off? I thought 40 was old once.
Thing is, although I won’t be around to see it I very much want a green and peaceful future world……I have an investment through my son in there being such a future.
Nothing I’ve said has any advantages for me. I’ve nothing to gain from making the simple argument that the enticement through weak laws and borders of, ‘country shoppers’ (they are NOT refugees once they move through the first safe country)……… is not sustainable. It will damage your future but not mine.
A simple question……Would your ’empathy’ and ‘compassion’ have a limit? 1 million? 10 million? 100 million?
As for US mass shootings don’t get me started……..
The definition of what a mass shooting is varies according to source: FBI, Stanford, Mass shootings tracker, Mother Jones, Mass shootings Archive…….’4 or more Dead’…..’4 or more not dead but injured in one episode’. ‘Including the shooter’, ‘not including the shooter.’
I don’t know the racial breakdown…….I wouldn’t think it was all white, or all black…..or all brown. America has enough of it’s own criminals and frankly put its own nutters….Does it really need the percentage of like-minded folk crossing illegally with other illegals?
I hope and expect you will keep your, ‘most respectful through disagreements’ award.
Believe me when I say I keep my passions in check too. No point in disrespecting a different view
Good luck in the future.
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17 October 2013
Offline Ron Nasty said
On the latest polling I’ve seen, 58% of Americans are against Trump’s wall (with 7 out of 10 of those against saying they don’t want the Government shutdown ended by the Democrats giving Trump the money for his wall).Trump is playing “pork barrel” politics in the worst way possible. This isn’t some Senator demanding for a few hundred thousand dollars for a new bridge or something for their vote, but a President demanding nearly $6 billion (which is bound to increase) for his vanity project, which – according to the Homeland Security report on border security he commissioned – would have a “negligible” effect.
He avoided the wall to a large degree during his first two years because he knew he couldn’t get it through a Republican Congress and getting it through the Senate would be tight (as was proved earlier this year when two Republican Senators who had previously been in favour but, up for re-election, said they would vote against because they were seeing how unpopular an idea it was among their electorate).
Despite his claim before the mid-terms that he would be “happy” to be blamed for the Government shutdown, he knew when he said it that the Congress was looking likely to switch to Democrat control, and was probably calculating that the blame would land on the new Congress, and the Democrats. Instead, he finds he is being blamed by the majority, and is desperate to find a way out where he can claim a win.
And that is what the Government shutdown is all about, a spoiled baby who doesn’t give a damn about those affected by it (not one word of apology or regret to the Federal employees whose wages he’s denied; in fact, he previously dismissed them as “mainly Democrats”) trying to get his way without winning the debate.
He’s already had two shutdowns, not seen since Clinton in the mid-’90s (and he’d been in power for a couple of years before the first one happened). Should the Democrats be blackmailed into giving him his money for his wall because they are concerned about the damage being done to Federal employees, you can be sure this will be a Presidency of Government shutdowns as he will see it as a way to get contentious measures through without needing to win the political debate.
Wigwam said
Sad to see the world’s last last hope crumble.
I’ve only just managed to stop laughing at that – the President who has alienated nearly every American ally to a greater or lesser degree while sucking up to dictatorships around the world is the “world’s last last hope”? I wrote off this Presidency making any positive contribution to the world the moment he won, and pray it will be a one-term Presidency – with the next poor sod needing to clean up the mess Trump, one or two terms, will leave behind him.
Trump’s achievements in 2 years have been prodigious.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/tru…..lishments/
https://www.washingtontimes.co…..their-due/
https://www.washingtonexaminer…..se-keeping
I included the WT and WE because I reckoned you might dismiss the Whitehouse list…as ‘fake news’
I hope you had a look……Do the facts laid in front of you change your opinion? I’d doubt that they would. Contempt, even hate for Trump seeps from your post. Facts that contradict those feelings won’t help change that.
It seems to be forgotten (along with his achievements apparently) that one of the main promises Trump was voted in to office to carry out, was to build a wall.
A lot of Americans want a wall….Enough to vote him in when the polls said otherwise I recall.
As for alienating his friends?……America’s friends, (not the UK) have been getting a free ride at the American taxpayer’s expense. while simultaneously handing back their scorn, condescension and haughty disdain.
They deserved a comeuppance….And the US deserves a little more respect and even gratitude.
As for the Dictators……? Trump has stood up to China AT LAST……Tariffs on US goods have been matched….Manufacturing Jobs are coming back to the US. China’s South China Sea belligerence is being countered.
Russia?
Trump seems serious about extracting the US from futile and expensive, in blood and treasure foreign excursions. Though in even doing that he’s lambasted by the same people that label him as a prime example of, the knuckles dragging on the floor toxic man….
I’ll try to convince myself that perhaps you didn’t mean to be insulting, just to demean, belittle and undermine my arguments by quoting me and saying you’ve just stopped laughing at my words……
I don’t blame Trump for the crumbling I see ……. The slow disintegration of the transcendent unifying fabric of the ‘American dream’.
For that I blame the constant unrelenting divisive nature of the Liberal media and the current Democratic Party and the obvious contumely they feel for the average Walmart shopper and the ‘basket of deplorables ‘ that live outside the ‘belt way.
Trump is a necessary counter-balance.
‘You don’t always get what you want……But sometimes….You get what you need’.
Now where was I?
Oh yes…….America needs a wall.
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Offline Ahhh Girl said
@Wigwam, what/why is America the last hope? Hope for/of what?
It’s a long story……..and unfortunately a long answer.
I’m pretty sure you will have heard of, ‘American exceptionalism’…..Less chance you might have come across ’empiricism’ which shaped the thinking particularly of Locke…… Locke and also Hume are important cogs in the shaping of America…..And contribute greatly to why, for all its faults, some of them I’ll concede grievous … The US is special to me.
Some will scoff and laugh at me for espousing that sentiment……
Anyway…..Here’s a place to start with regards to Locke……..That’s if you’re interested? From a site appropriately called ‘Wallbuilders’
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Offline Ay ay ay Wigwam, edit the posts you want to reply to and then submit it all as one giant post, not 6 posts in a row.
My personal opinion Trump is an idiot, his 2 years can be adequately summed up by the fact he served junk food on silver platters to the Clemson football team.
It’s what he is, s**t put on expensive things to look fancier.
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Here’s the video. I found it pretty distressing and upsetting so I would be wary about watching it.
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Forget my double/triple posting pet peeve from a few weeks back… Sextuple posting, I’ve never seen it before but as ASJ rightfully pointed out, not good and very cluttery… I did think that (at least) one of them was Beatlebug backing up a point but no, it wasn’t, it was my mind imploding… 
That’s the problem with not putting it all in one post – it’s very easy to not notice that it’s the same poster because in your mind you’re saying ‘no it can’t be, you read it wrong, it’s actually…’
Anyway, some of those points are obviously not directed at me so I won’t take them…
Except for the last ones about tricking people with ‘Trump’ quotes. It shows that we don’t care about who says it (well, perhaps slightly…) but that we dislike the restrictions on immigration!! I never brought Obama up, purely because while I thought he was a fantastic president, I did disagree with some of his views – like some of his views on immigration. Enough said, really. I couldn’t care less if Trump had a change of heart and decided to like refugees and let them in – if he was serious and sincere about it and actually followed through and did a good job, I would back him to the moon.
I’m not saying he hasn’t done a single good thing, I’ll concede he has. Just not very many at all in my opinion.
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Ay ay ay Wigwam, edit the posts you want to reply to and then submit it all as one giant post, not 6 posts in a row.
My personal opinion Trump is an idiot, his 2 years can be adequately summed up by the fact he served junk food on silver platters to the Clemson football team.
It’s what he is, s**t put on expensive things to look fancier.
I take your point, but for me it’s important I try to reply respectfully. Even if that is time consuming and sometimes repetitive.
Its important for me that I reply with respect, particularly with the feelings stirred up in this thread, that it’s politer to reply to individuals without resorting to cutting and pasting, thereby cherry picking and taking words out of their context. Were I to do that it would of course be easier for me, but there’s the danger that either myself, or frankly my interlocutors could put a disingenuous and misleading slant to the chosen quotations…….. I feel that is being shoddy and dishonest.
It’s clear you take a different view from me in this regard. I’m sorry but I’ll continues to reply the best way I can if time allows. We will have to differ on this.
Many people I’m sure share your opinion of Trump…….He’s certainly not a politician……and therefore he’s an ‘idiot’ in its original sense….He thinks for himself.
Serving junk food I think was a well intentioned action and that if Obama had done the same there would have been a positive, ‘man of the people reaction’.
Amazingly cameras were carefully positioned to lovingly capture this spur of the moment decision………
Your last, heartfelt comment I’d rather not comment on.
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Starr Shine? said
The thing is, I don’t want the wall, I don’t want to give trump the victory, then he can just do this crud any time he doesn’t get what he wants. Plus this will boost his voterbase and increase the odds of him winning next election.
Exactly, Trump is such a corrupt politician that he’d shut down the government and make innocent people suffer just so he can build an overpriced wall, to give up would make the left look weak and we can’t have that.
The Hole Got Fixed said
Most of us (and sure, not all of us, I need to make that clear) want to see the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing crap shitholes that aren’t fit to live in find a better home, because that’s called caring for others less fortunate. A tiny amount of immigrants have bad intentions – and those that do will find a way to do them anyway, but the people who’ve lost everything and are making a new home won’t have a way of doing so if we don’t look out for them.
That’s exactly my problem, the wall will only keep the innocent people looking for a better life out, the bad guys will just find another way around it.
And part of why there are so many Middle Eastern refugees – America cause a whole lot of trouble there, so they can deal with all the refugees (though I don’t see why, for example Australia *ahem current government *ahem* couldn’t take more* as a result.
To be fair, some of that is because these countries aren’t nice to women, gays, and non-Muslims.
As for the cost – 5 billion dollars is a lot for something that likely won’t work, whereas they could spend it on much more pressing matters – youth suicide prevention, housing the homeless, not building another luxury skyscraper for the orange baby… list goes on.
I agree.
Ha! Sorry, that was a funny thing to read, I did chuckle when I read it. The thing is… you do! But because they’re generally more white, noone cares and all turn a blind eye. I know for a fact that because Canada is a much more pleasant, compassionate country, the inevitable wrongdoers that want to wrongdo in the US travel via Canada much more than you think – so why not build a wall there? That’d upset some more people.
The reason we don’t hear about people hopping the Canada border is because it’s mostly surrounded by woods, the north is more liberal then the south, and because Americans and Canadians look the same.
Still, Canada is surprisingly tough on immigration, although at least they have the decency of allowing refugees.
Okayyyyyyy… sure… I’m not American so I can’t remember if I’ve remembered them all but from 2 minutes of research you’ve forgotten that the only real left leaning news agency is CNN, the others are either pseudo-left but actually centre, or right. And don’t get me started on Fox News, that really has gone to the dogs…
I think she’s referring to sites like BuzzFeed and The Huffington Post as opposed to actual news stations.
Also Beatlebug – before I forget, I’ve been under this impression the entire time I’ve been on this forum that you’re left wing. I’m shocked to find out I’m wrong – obviously I respect that, but you’re the first (and I do know a lot) LGBTQI+ person who is right wing… just an interesting observation there.
I thought that too although i think she’s centrist as opposed to right wing.
Also, i don’t think referring to he as LGB+ in this case would be right since the right doesn’t typically have a problem with asexuals.
So, longer than I thought, but I got a bit broader than I expected. I hope this doesn’t tarnish my award of ‘most respectful even through disagreements’, but I did do a lot of editing and I do feel VERY strongly about this.
Nope, your post was very respectful.
Ron Nasty said
On the latest polling I’ve seen, 58% of Americans are against Trump’s wall (with 7 out of 10 of those against saying they don’t want the Government shutdown ended by the Democrats giving Trump the money for his wall).
Only 58, you’d think more people would have a problem with pissing away billions of dollars on a wall that would have a negligible effect.
Beatlebug said
And, yes, even though I am an LGBTQ+ person I don’t agree with the politics or some of the ideology espoused by much of the LGBTQ+ community (which isn’t always terribly welcoming to asexuals anyway, from what I’ve heard — I have very little first-hand experience), and am becoming rather disillusioned with some aspects of it. Of course I still love y’all gays and whatnot as long as ya make decent sense.
Don’t feel bad. In fact, the LGB+ community can often get split between certain issues.
Ron Nasty said
If the latter, you are greatly mistaken about where I get news from. I had to google MSNBC to find out what it was. Don’t think we get that in the UK. Our TV news is not allowed the political bias which so warps the American debate (though, of course, political parties often accuse it).
I wish it was like that here in the US instead of having it where just about everything has either a conservative or liberal bias.
Wigwam said
Trump’s achievements in 2 years have been prodigious.
I won’t deny that Trump has done some good things but one thing worth pointing out, you don’t count as unemployed if you’re not looking for a job, so all of those things about low unemployment rates could just mean that a lot of people gave up on looking for a job.
Wigwam said
Why am I not surprised by these reactions?? (links to 2 videos with a clear right wing bias)
Probably because their edited to show a right wing bias.
A perfect example of this is Mark Dice, a guy who goes around asking a bunch of liberals questions like is incest okay, what do they think about Donald Trump Jr. killing a triceratops, or who won the Civil War and every time he asks someone these questions they almost always give out the answer he wants to hear. If he left it unedited, you’d hear a lot more reasonable responses.
Wigwam said
As for the Dictators……?
Trump has said nice things about Kim Jong Un, a bloodthirsty dictator that has been compared to Hitler.
Wigwam said
A simple question……Would your ’empathy’ and ‘compassion’ have a limit? 1 million? 10 million? 100 million?
This is just rude.
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Offline It wasn’t rude. Let’s re-phrase that….I can’t see how it is rude…….It’s a question. I’m assuming ’empathy’ and ‘compassion’ have a limit. Do you have a limit? If so what is it?
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Offline The whole post seemed rude although i’ll leave it up to @The Hole Got Fixed to decide, i just pointed out what i thought was the rudest thing you said in it.
What you’re essentially asking is what is your breaking point when it comes to immigration and the answer is there is none, both of us have expressed our belief in open borders. If you really want to keep the Mexicans in Mexico, we should spend that $5 billion on improving Mexico instead of building a wall to trap the Mexicans in.
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17 October 2013
Offline Calling it rude was merely to cavil.
If you honestly have no upper limit to the number of illegal immigrants crossing into the country you live in and pay taxes in…..that you enjoy an education in or work in…..That you receive the health care that hospitals provide. Then I accept for you any immigration control is redundant.
Having said that I hope your empathy and compassion is never truly tested………to its limits.
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9 March 2017
Offline I don’t see it as a cavil, i mean you started by assuming he had some sort of bias against old people and then asked him how much empathy and compassion he can take before it’s too much as if having empathy and compassion for an oppressed minority is a bad thing. Trust me, it sucks to be called out (it happens to me a lot) but sometimes it has to happen.
Still, there are 2 ways i would consider empathy and compassion towards illegal immigrants to be too much and that is if:
1. They get special privileges that American born citizens can’t get like affirmative action
2. They have a problem with Americans taking elements from their culture
But i don’t think your average Mexican is a big enough dickhead that they’d have a problem with multiculturalism and since most people don’t support illegal immigration, very few people would value illegal immigrants over American born citizens.
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Offline Does open borders mean no countries like in Lennon’s song? Or something else?
If people from anywhere in the world could go live where they want under open borders (I’m thinking of like Africans moving to Europe and Mexican and South Americans moving to the US), would the world look more like the US, Australia, and other fairly stable countries or would it look more like Syria or other countries with horrid civil wars and fighting on?
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^ I think definitely the latter. I mean, just look at what happened to Sweden. (???maybe it was one of those other lefty Scandinavian countries but I’m pretty sure it was Sweden) They started letting a bunch of people in and problems abounded. We can argue about exactly how borders should be implemented, but I don’t know that anyone of sense could argue for no borders at all. That’s one reason I’ve never liked Imagine *.
*The main reason is that I just feel it’s overplayed.
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Offline It depends on how far you go with it. For me, i believe in no physical borders, we’d have separate countries but there’d be no barricade between them.
The other point is hard to say, i guess it depends on whether or not we spruce up those 3rd world countries.
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Offline No, @Ahhh Girl.
Europe has open borders, and you can set restrictions on it. The way it works in the European Union is that citizens of member states can work in any country that belongs, and with much of the Union you can move around without border checks, but still have controls on things like illegal immigration (which aren’t wholly successful in current circumstances – unless they build walls along the Mediterranean beaches…).
I, personally, don’t believe in completely open borders, and agree controls are needed. It’s how those controls are exercised though. And, if the scientists are right about climate change and people like Trump are wrong, migration – and how to handle it, is likely to become a bigger question – especially for the younger people here, with Africa becoming increasingly dry and unable to support its population and island nations like Thailand succumbing to rising sea levels, this century could well see the biggest forced population movements this planet has ever seen as inhabited areas of the world, largely poorer areas of the world, become uninhabitable.
Then the question will really be asked… Will those areas of the world less vulnerable to the worst effects of climate change find a way to offer those who have no choice but to leave their homes sanctuary or will walls go up everywhere, machine guns locked and loaded every few hundred metres ready to gun down any who dare approach, as we turn our backs and let millions, possibly billions, die?
But that is probably more a question for the philosophy thread…
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Offline Dark Overlord said
I thought that too although i think she’s centrist as opposed to right wing.Also, i don’t think referring to he as LGB+ in this case would be right since the right doesn’t typically have a problem with asexuals.
1) Yes, anything right of far left seems to be seen as right wing these days, but I assure you that, even though so far I’ve spent most of my time countering arguments from the left (which, due to the relativistic nature of such things, does make me look righty), I’m not full-on right-wing.
2) You’re quite missing the point, @Dark Overlord. It’s not about whether the right has a problem with asexuals or not (they don’t — they hardly even know we exist, so how could they have a problem with us?), it’s the fact that the demographic is nearly always left-leaning in Holey’s experience and mine. I’ve yet to meet an LGBTQ+ person IRL who isn’t leftist and at least slightly SJW. Asexuals in particular get a pretty bad rap for being crazy Tumblrgender snowflakes. 
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