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50yearslate said

Or Ms, if we’re lucky. You never know…  

I don’t care either way, just please let them be an actual good leader.

@Ahhh Girl post 1988 needs approval before it gets lost…

Between when I said I’d make a post and now quite a few of my thoughts were posted so this will be shorter than I thought.

First: The crap about socialism ‘infecting’ schools. Obviously as an Australian I have no idea about specifics to do with the American school system, but we are presented the facts in our humanties subjects, and we are left to make up our own minds. It simply appears that millennials and Generation Z are much more empathatic and compassionate than, say, the Baby Boomers. Most of us (and sure, not all of us, I need to make that clear) want to see the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing crap shitholes that aren’t fit to live in find a better home, because that’s called caring for others less fortunate. A tiny amount of immigrants have bad intentions – and those that do will find a way to do them anyway, but the people who’ve lost everything and are making a new home won’t have a way of doing so if we don’t look out for them. And part of why there are so many Middle Eastern refugees – America cause a whole lot of trouble there, so they can deal with all the refugees (though I don’t see why, for example Australia *ahem current government *ahem* couldn’t take more* as a result. 

In fact, you keep talking about crime. I don’t know if it changed after August, but I read from multiple sources that all 159 mass shooting last year until sometime in August were by white people born in America. Not a single black person, not a single immigrant. 

As for the cost – 5 billion dollars is a lot for something that likely won’t work, whereas they could spend it on much more pressing matters – youth suicide prevention, housing the homeless, not building another luxury skyscraper for the orange baby… list goes on. 

Beatlebug said
Aaaand we don’t have people scrambling into America through the US-Canadian border, either.

Ha! Sorry, that was a funny thing to read, I did chuckle when I read it. The thing is… you do! But because they’re generally more white, noone cares and all turn a blind eye. I know for a fact that because Canada is a much more pleasant, compassionate country, the inevitable wrongdoers that want to wrongdo in the US travel via Canada much more than you think – so why not build a wall there? That’d upset some more people. 

Beatlebug said

And don’t even get me started on the mainstream media — I’ll start sounding like a gun-toting MAGA-hat-wearing Trump supporter**, but it’s true — they’ve gone to the dogs.

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Okayyyyyyy… sure… I’m not American so I can’t remember if I’ve remembered them all but from 2 minutes of research you’ve forgotten that the only real left leaning news agency is CNN, the others are either pseudo-left but actually centre, or right. And don’t get me started on Fox News, that really has gone to the dogs…

Also Beatlebug – before I forget, I’ve been under this impression the entire time I’ve been on this forum that you’re left wing. I’m shocked to find out I’m wrong – obviously I respect that, but you’re the first (and I do know a lot) LGBTQI+ person who is right wing… just an interesting observation there.

Wigwam said

Beatlebug helpfully explained why I mentioned it’s not my direct problem….Not a being US citizen and I’ll add  too old to witness how this will all pan out. I wonder why I worry?

Exactly. The older you are, the less your political decisions affect your life, but the more they do young people’s lives. A huge surge of the aforementioned Millenials and Generation Z are left wing because they’ve seen the damage your generation has done to so many things, and we’re not going to do that, we are going to be the change. We are thinking of the future – our future (and I really don’t want to sound mean but you yourself said you’re old, so not yours unless you break records for longevity) and we want to see it brighter than what it is. The ABC (Australian one) found something like 2/3 of people my age (16-ish) are extremely worried about home ownership, because of YOUR GENERATION’s privileges and so many of you all own about 143340876345876 investment homes, meaning we don’t get any. That’s not fair. We deserve a future that’s better than what it is. 

So that said – I live in what’s been called until last year the most liveable city in the world for 8 years, in a first world country in an upper-middle class society. I can’t imagine what the refugees from places like this place I got in a game of Geoguessr a few days ago think about their future – they are in need of so much more than anyone on this forum could ever imagine (and if that is wrong, and anyone is in that situation, I am sorry). 

So, longer than I thought, but I got a bit broader than I expected. I hope this doesn’t tarnish my award of ‘most respectful even through disagreements’, but I did do a lot of editing and I do feel VERY strongly about this.

@Wigwam I hope this meets your expectation of learning something somehow.

@The Hole Got Fixed, apologies if my flip comment made it seem as if I was saying people don’t sneak in through the US-Canada border. I didn’t mean that at all, I was simply stating that they aren’t ‘scrambling’ to get in, with quite the urgency that they seem to on the southern border. I was making that statement in light of the recent onslaught of migrants from South and Central America — it wasn’t meant to be a gospel truth, exactly, more of a… well… flip comment in response to another flip comment.

Also Beatlebug – before I forget, I’ve been under this impression the entire time I’ve been on this forum that you’re left wing. I’m shocked to find out I’m wrong – obviously I respect that, but you’re the first (and I do know a lot) LGBTQI+ person who is right wing… just an interesting observation there.

My stance on political issues has undergone some change of late; before, I really wasn’t educated so I didn’t really take part in discourse, but I can see how what little I might have said indicated that I leaned left. I probably kinda did, at the time. I’ve never particularly allied myself with either side, and consider myself a moderate, but I acknowledge that I probably do lean right on some political issues.

And, yes, even though I am an LGBTQ+ person I don’t agree with the politics or some of the ideology espoused by much of the LGBTQ+ community (which isn’t always terribly welcoming to asexuals anyway, from what I’ve heard — I have very little first-hand experience), and am becoming rather disillusioned with some aspects of it. Of course I still love y’all gays and whatnot as long as ya make decent sense.

One last point. In regards to your comment about generations and compassion: I have gathered information to the effect that most generations were more liberal when they were younger, and got more conservative as they grew older. It stands to reason that idealistic young people would be more open to new and shiny ideas, while older people are probably going to have more of a conservative (Back in my day!) mentality. Generation Z is actually one of the more conservative young generations to come along for quite a while — it’s the millennials who are the liberal ones. (I’m not even going to address the insinuation that compassion is some kind of compass by which we should politically affiliate ourselves, and that it need belong to the left. )