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Beatlebug said

Pablo Ramon said

I can’t help myself pointing the finger at our “president,” even though I know it’s probably not the healthiest way to think about it.  

If you’re to point your finger at anyone, I’d think it would be the Chinese Communist Party who covered up the outbreak and allowed it to spread to the world, encouraging huge gatherings for Lunar New Year’s even though they knew that it was likely to spread the disease.

  

I’m probably very late in replying this, but the Chinese Communist Party did not encourage Lunar New Year exoduses. Rather, they imposed the lockdown on Wuhan before the Chinese New Year occurred, only for it to backfire partially when many chose to leave the vicinity. It is during the first day of the Lunar New Year that they decided to extend the lockdown to everywhere in China and increase the duration as well, once they realized the mistake. You can say that their initial breach of containment were terrible, and I don’t exactly disagree, but soon after they began to pick up the pace and decided to get serious (albeit sacrificing many civil liberties in doing so). 

In short, they did not ‘encourage’ people to engage in New Year exoduses, but rather the downward spiral it is the result of not-serious-enough regulations and the public being not-well-informed.

Here’s a couple of news links I could find:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/0…..index.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/0…..index.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/…..-new-year/

Beatlebug said
I just want to address this real quick so we can move on.

@Pablo Ramon and others: I never meant to deflect blame. I just feel that it’s more justifiable to blame a party that systematically concealed the viral outbreak* than one’s own government, which might have been incompetent, but I don’t think anyone really knew what to make of the virus when it first broke, and therefore I hesitate to be too harsh on them. Not that they’re above criticism, I just think one of these things is clearly worse than the other. You can’t help but wonder if the delayed responses of various governments were aggravated, at least, by the Chinese government’s unwillingness to be transparent. It would have been nice if the CCP had been totally upfront so we could clearly blame our own governments and give them what-for at the voting booth; we have much less control over the course of Chinese affairs.

Of course, now that we are at a more advanced stage and know more about what works and what doesn’t, our governments should by all means look back on the mistakes that were made and make changes for the better as we move forward. At the end of the day, I don’t believe in spending too much time pointing fingers at anyone, because it isn’t very productive. I was just replying specifically to Pablo’s specific finger-pointing at “the ‘president,'” which I felt was somewhat misplaced, but that’s my opinion and your opinion and I once heard someone say that opinions are like a******s: everyone’s got one and they all stink. (Except one’s own, of course!)

It’s totally understandable to want to rail at the skies, or the Powers That Be, when you’ve spent months with your life disrupted, living in fear, and have lost a dear friend.

God bless everyone.

*yes, I know the National Review is specifically a conservative outlet, but I looked through the sources and they’re from all over the place and seem sound enough.

  

Such opinions are not exactly wrong, just be sure to remember that sometimes governments mess up (whether for the better or worse) because people do mess up sometimes. Just be sure to be more mindful of others in the future, and be sure to wash your hands everyday, and things’ll be fine. I’m not too keen on the communist party anyways.

Side note: I’m close to finishing my assignments for quarantine, so life’s been alright I suppose. Week highlights include the weekly Discord server meetup.

Pablo Ramon said

lovelyritametermaid said

The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won’t be eligible because then I’ll be out of high school Now I guess last summer was my last time at camp

  

That’s disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too…

  

There’s probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don’t have music tastes it would seem

  

The oldest works in radio and is a DJ on what is probably the leading free-form radio station in the US. She also has some of the worst taste in music imaginable. The middle has her tastes, some of which are great and others of which I can’t endure. The youngest is a multi-talented musician who is presently obsessed with musical theater but who has a great pair of ears and absorbs everything. Growing up, they were exposed to a huge variety of music. Early rock and roll, jazz, blues, R&B, hip hop, rock, pop, a HUGE dose of punk. Mostly I think they inherited our skepticism, mistrust and general upturned middle-finger toward authority. 

We always encouraged them to develop their own tastes. I think they were almost certainly influenced indirectly by hearing a ton of Beatles. 

The Hole Got Fixed said
That really sucks lrmm… hope you can meet up with your camp friends soon. Organise a diy camp, perhaps?

Pablo Ramon said

lovelyritametermaid said

The camp that I go to every summer has been canceled. This was supposed to be my last year, too, since next summer I won’t be eligible because then I’ll be out of high school Now I guess last summer was my last time at camp

  

That’s disappointing. 

I keep forgetting there are young people here. My kids barely tolerate my Beatles obsessiveness, it always surprises me that young people are fans too…

  

There’s probably at least 50% of us here who are under 25 I would say. 

Your kids don’t have music tastes it would seem

 

AppleScruffJunior said

^I also enjoy the meet-ups and the general bants from time to time. You’re an amusing bunch.

I agree. I would be surprised if this stops after quarantine is lifted 

  

Offering my couple cents being from the under-25 demographic here, I was a bit bored of most of today’s contemporary music not being weird enough when I was young, and most of the songs on the radio had the same romantic tropes as lyrics. There were exceptions, sure, but overall I wasn’t particularly interested. A couple nice hooks here and there, nothing much else, at least to me. In short, I am what some would call as a ‘normie’.

One day I stumbled across “I Am The Walrus “, and I decided this is the weirdness I need in my life. Well thankfully now my eyes are open to weird modern music that I very much enjoy.

CakeMaestor said

  

Offering my couple cents being from the under-25 demographic here, I was a bit bored of most of today’s contemporary music not being weird enough when I was young, and most of the songs on the radio had the same romantic tropes as lyrics. There were exceptions, sure, but overall I wasn’t particularly interested. A couple nice hooks here and there, nothing much else, at least to me. In short, I am what some would call as a ‘normie’.

One day I stumbled across “I Am The Walrus “, and I decided this is the weirdness I need in my life. Well thankfully now my eyes are open to weird modern music that I very much enjoy.

  

I too gravitate generally toward the weird. Have you discovered Captain Beefheart yet? Sadly his greatest album, Trout Mask Replica, is not available to stream except via Youtube. Try it, though, it could lead you down uncharted paths of weirdness – the whole Zappa branch of music, the delta blues, all manner of human oddity is referenced and encapsulated.

We have hijacked this thread now, but…maybe we needed to talk about something else…