Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
Who would YOU choose for the cover of the "new" SPLHCB?
12 March 2014
2.12pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
101sp_Permalink sp_Print

Here is a shot that shows Adolf in place.

sgt_pepper_stage_hitler-The_Beatles.jpgImage Enlarger

You can see his legs are in front, and partially obscure, those of Larry Bell.

Here is another shot after Johnny Weissmuller had been added, and Hitler removed.

Sgt.Pepper.Photoshoot.jpgImage Enlarger

As can be seen, Weissmuller is slid in behind Bell, and Bell’s legs are clear of obstruction.

Whatever Robert Fraser’s memory, the photographs show that Hitler was removed rather than obscured by The Beatles standing in front of him.

@Billy Rhythm 

 

 

 

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

12 March 2014
2.18pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
102sp_Permalink sp_Print

I would put Martha on the cover

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

12 March 2014
3.04pm
Avatar
Billy Rhythm
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 953
Member Since:
22 December 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
103sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ron Nasty said
Here is a shot that shows Adolf in place.

sgt_pepper_stage_hitler-The_Beatles.jpgImage Enlarger

You can see his legs are in front, and partially obscure, those of Larry Bell.

Here is another shot after Johnny Weissmuller had been added, and Hitler removed.

Sgt.Pepper.Photoshoot.jpgImage Enlarger

As can be seen, Weissmuller is slid in behind Bell, and Bell’s legs are clear of obstruction.

Whatever Robert Fraser’s memory, the photographs show that Hitler was removed rather than obscured by The Beatles standing in front of him.

@Billy Rhythm 

 

 

 

 

That’s not to say that he wasn’t inserted back in once The Beatles were ready to pose for the shot, again, I’m gonna prefer the first-hand account over second-hand interpretations of “documentation” that’s incomplete.  The censored cut-out is standing by at close proximity as though it’s going to be placed in somewhere..:-)

12 March 2014
3.33pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Here are various outtake shots from the run that included the cover shot, Adolf is nowhere to be seen in any of them.

Cover+shoot+for+Sgt+Pepper+(2).jpgImage Enlarger

alternative-sgt-pepper_02.jpgImage Enlarger

alternative-sgt-pepper_08.jpgImage Enlarger

 

alternative-sgt-pepper_09.jpgImage Enlarger

tumblr_la05w2l8Ae1qcra2do1_500.jpgImage Enlarger

Cover+shoot+for+Sgt+Pepper+(9).jpgImage Enlarger

alternative-sgt-pepper_07.jpgImage Enlarger

alternative-sgt-pepper_10.jpgImage Enlarger

It was a heavily photographed session, there are multiple shots of The Beatles posing. The area in which they stand is shown throughout, and there is no sign of Hitler in any of the alternate shots – however much of the area that was covered by where they stood in the shot that was used is shown. I think photographic evidence carries more weight than one person’s memory.

@Billy Rhythm 

 

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

12 March 2014
3.55pm
Avatar
Billy Rhythm
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 953
Member Since:
22 December 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
105sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ron Nasty said 

It was a heavily photographed session, there are multiple shots of The Beatles posing. The area in which they stand is shown throughout, and there is no sign of Hitler in any of the alternate shots – however much of the area that was covered by where they stood in the shot that was used is shown. I think photographic evidence carries more weight than one person’s memory.

@Billy Rhythm 

 

 

I don’t agree, perhaps if the session was filmed it’d be different but the censored cut-out doesn’t appear in any of the “outtakes” because it wasn’t supposed to.  They had no idea which “take” was going to be used until the film was developed (yes, people had to develop their photos in darkrooms back then) and every shot was potentially “the ONE” and easily explains why you don’t see the cut-out, because it was decided that it was too controversial to be seen.  The interview clip that I referenced says “he’s behind the four Beatles”, now that could also mean the Madame Toussauds Beatle Wax Figures, but he remembers hiding the cut-out “behind the four Beatles”.  I wish that I could link the interview clip for you but this is the best that I can do  http://sidmchenry.podomatic.com/  and unfortunately this podcast is a work in progress and the next volume to be cast (#9) contains the clip and hasn’t been made available yet.  Being a 1981 Radio Program dates the clip less than 14 years after the shoot and it’s doubtful that Robert Fraser’s memory would be so clouded, considering that this would be a lifetime achievement of his that he’d likely remember quite clearly.  Just because there’s no photographic evidence proving his claim doesn’t mean that he made something like that up, nobody else who was there to my knowledge refutes this happening so I don’t see any reason to doubt it because of the photos.  If you were to take every photo taken that day and strung them together into a video, giving each 3 seconds, how long do you think that that video would play out?  Nowhere near as long as the time spent staging the set for those photographs, yes the “photographic evidence” is incomplete…:-) 

12 March 2014
4.19pm
Avatar
Billy Rhythm
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 953
Member Since:
22 December 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
106sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ron Nasty said
Here are various outtake shots from the run that included the cover shot, Adolf is nowhere to be seen in any of them.

Cover+shoot+for+Sgt+Pepper+(2).jpgImage Enlarger


 
 
  

 

This photograph in particular, that you provided, I question its authenticity and epitomizes why “photographic evidence” must always be placed under great scrutiny.  I call forgery on this one for it appears to me that someone inserted stills from the ‘Hello Goodbye ‘ promo video (filmed several months later) overtop of one of the originals….:-)

12 March 2014
5.01pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I’ll hold my hands up to that one. I’m not sure on it. Though it should be noted that in the Hello, Goodbye  video, both John and Paul have lost their moustaches, Paul’s medal is in a different place on his jacket, and John’s hair is different. So, accepting it could be a fake, with Ringo the only one that’s not flown in, there’s been a lot of airbrushing to make it fit. But, yeah, good chance it’s a fake.

hellogoodbye.jpgImage Enlarger

However, I did find this one, which there’s no doubt about, and it shows Hitler still standing off to the right.

the_beatles_sgt_pepper_album_cover_hitler.jpgImage Enlarger

The trouble is that many of the images have been clipped to squares. The only way to know for sure would be if the full wideshots that were taken were published. Then we could see if Adolf ever moved from that spot.

My own take on it is that they remember that they positioned Hitler, and are forgetting that they took him out. It would be interesting to get their reaction when looking at all the photographs that were taken.

@Billy Rhythm 

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

12 March 2014
5.47pm
Avatar
Von Bontee
496 km NW of the '69 Toronto Rock n Roll Revival
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5591
Member Since:
14 December 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
108sp_Permalink sp_Print

Yeah, I’d be more inclined to trust all those photos than the memory of a former heroin addict who may or may not be fabulating, too. Anyways, it makes for a better story to believe that Hitler is hiding in that famous photo.

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

12 March 2014
6.00pm
Bungalow Bob
Seattle, Washington
Paris Olympia
Members
Forum Posts: 354
Member Since:
16 September 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
109sp_Permalink sp_Print

Von Bontee said
 Anyways, it makes for a better story to believe that Hitler is hiding in that famous photo.

One of the qualities of a good piece of art is that it brings you back to it over and over again, to “rediscover” new things about it. This whole “Hidden Hitler” business certainly is keeping me coming back to the cover over and over again. :)

14 March 2014
5.38am
Avatar
onlyasouthernsong
Florida
The Jacaranda
Members
Forum Posts: 33
Member Since:
9 February 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
110sp_Permalink sp_Print

I would add:

 

Freddie Mercury(Ultimate Brit)

Saddam Hussein(Controversial leader)

George W. Bush(Standing next to Saddam)

and finally…

Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un, separated in random places in the photo.

23 March 2014
4.54pm
Avatar
4or5Magicians
The Foothills of the Headlands
London Palladium
Members
Forum Posts: 184
Member Since:
18 January 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
111sp_Permalink sp_Print

Interesting stuff re: hidden hitler. I’ve seen the photo of his cut-out standing off to the side and don’t really believe it would be hidden in the final photos. Still it was cool to see alternate photos from that session, even if that one did look really obviously shopped.

Anyway, if I had to pick 3 or so people for my Sgt Pepper cover, I’d include these:

Nobuo Uematsu – composer of most of the music from the Final Fantasy video game series. Considered by many to be the best game composer ever (he just turned 55 the other day… random info).

G.G. Allin – Controversial (and probably schizophrenic) punk rocker. Definitely included for controversy or shock value.

Skinny Puppy – Either the original lineup of the band, or a reference somewhere. Their back catalogue of avant-garde industrial dance music contains a few notable Beatles references and/or samples. I’d file this choice under influential musicians that not everyone is going to dig, and possibly as a controversial choice.

 

23 March 2014
4.56pm
Avatar
IveJustSeenAFaceo
Arrived Somewhere (But Not Here)
Rishikesh
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 2842
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
112sp_Permalink sp_Print

Thom Yorke could make an appearance in the music category. 

Maybe Putin in the non-music category?

(This signature brought to you by Net Boy and Net Girl. Putting messages in modems since 1996.)

23 March 2014
5.59pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22629
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
113sp_Permalink sp_Print

Joe – creator of the best Beatles site on the internet

Queen Elizabeth II

Bill Gates

The following people thank Ahhh Girl for this post:

IveJustSeenAFaceo
27 March 2014
3.10pm
Avatar
Mr. Kite
910 Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields, Pepperland
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6147
Member Since:
4 February 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
114sp_Permalink sp_Print

Yes! Let’s add @Joe!

And Sting

If I spoke prose you'd all find out, I don't know what I talk about.

Can buy Joe love!
If you're shopping at one of these two websites use the links below to support the Beatles Bible:

Amazon | iTunes

27 March 2014
3.13pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
115sp_Permalink sp_Print

Mr. Kite said
Yes! Let’s add @Joe!

And Sting

Oh lets add all the Beatle biblers

 

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

27 March 2014
3.37pm
Avatar
Mr. Kite
910 Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields, Pepperland
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6147
Member Since:
4 February 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
116sp_Permalink sp_Print

Annadog40 said

Mr. Kite said
Yes! Let’s add @Joe!

And Sting

Oh lets add all the Beatle biblers

 

There are 2288 members at the moment… That’s Too Many People

If I spoke prose you'd all find out, I don't know what I talk about.

Can buy Joe love!
If you're shopping at one of these two websites use the links below to support the Beatles Bible:

Amazon | iTunes

27 March 2014
3.39pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
117sp_Permalink sp_Print

Mr. Kite said

Annadog40 said

Mr. Kite said
Yes! Let’s add @Joe!

And Sting

Oh lets add all the Beatle biblers

 

There are 2288 members at the moment… That’s Too Many People

How bout the more active members like Me you and all the people on the roof

 

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

27 March 2014
4.14pm
Avatar
Von Bontee
496 km NW of the '69 Toronto Rock n Roll Revival
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 5591
Member Since:
14 December 2009
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
118sp_Permalink sp_Print

Sorry, no ‘biblers allowed! Not you, not myself (-selves), not mr. sun king coming together, not even Joe! (In fact, if I was re-starting this thread today, I’d put in a “no living persons under the age of 65” rule. And probably a few others, depending on how capricious I was feeling at the moment…)

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

27 March 2014
4.22pm
Avatar
Mr. Kite
910 Penny Lane, Strawberry Fields, Pepperland
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6147
Member Since:
4 February 2014
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Von Bontee said
Sorry, no ‘biblers allowed! Not you, not myself (-selves), not mr. sun king coming together, not even Joe! (In fact, if I was re-starting this thread today, I’d put in a “no living persons under the age of 65” rule. And probably a few others, depending on how capricious I was feeling at the moment…)

Probably good rules… How old is Sting now? 62! Is that close enough?

If I spoke prose you'd all find out, I don't know what I talk about.

Can buy Joe love!
If you're shopping at one of these two websites use the links below to support the Beatles Bible:

Amazon | iTunes

27 March 2014
4.28pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
120sp_Permalink sp_Print

Mr. Kite said

Von Bontee said
Sorry, no ‘biblers allowed! Not you, not myself (-selves), not mr. sun king coming together, not even Joe! (In fact, if I was re-starting this thread today, I’d put in a “no living persons under the age of 65” rule. And probably a few others, depending on how capricious I was feeling at the moment…)

Probably good rules… How old is Sting now? 62! Is that close enough?

What if sting had a Beatle bible account then how would we know who is a bibler or not a-hard-days-night-ringo-12

 

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 2057
Currently Online: Von Bontee, Sea Belt
Guest(s) 245
Currently Browsing this Page:
4 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9827
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8047
AppleScruffJunior: 7585
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6394
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2918
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5553
Posts: 383740
Newest Members:
daveyjenkins, Boob, IleBp, charleygrey, SgtPepper1967
Moderators: Joe: 5713, meanmistermustard: 25145, Ahhh Girl: 22629, Beatlebug: 18227, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5713