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Sgt. Peppers 50th Anniversary Celebrations - including discussions about the 2017 remixed album
28 April 2017
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Ron Nasty said
Interesting preview of an interview with Giles Martin appearing in the June issue of Mojo, offers glimpses of what to expect.

For Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds , I had this idea of chopping up the keyboard notes so they could be spread across the stereo spectrum. Then you put them all on a plate reverb so the notes don’t sound disconnected. Then I can have the voice in the centre, because I have this stereo keyboard underneath. That’s a good example of mixing ahead in your brain.

  

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Now on Spotify….

Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band – Remix

Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band – Take 9 And Speech

With A Little Help From My Friends – Remix

With A Little Help From My Friends – Take 1/False Start And Take 2/Instrumental

 

You can also now find the Sgt. Pepper Take 9 And Speech version on YouTube!

29 April 2017
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meanmistermustard said

The “I feel it” vocal sounds like it’s from elsewhere.

No idea where this came from originally, i found it elsewhere. ‘With A Little Help From My Friends takes 1 and 2. I found a site that has both of the available previews. 

 

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I am confused by this. Are you saying that the “take 9” being released is actually a composite of the original take and another studio chat @meanmistermustard?

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Take 9 seems like it’s just the backing track with the vocals and bass overdubs added, as well as a speech at the end, pretty cheap if you ask me.

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Dark Overlord said
Take 9 seems like it’s just the backing track with the vocals and bass overdubs added, as well as a speech at the end, pretty cheap if you ask me.  

That’s what it sounds like to me, but I’m going on a bootleg which tried to match the recording sessions progress by following Lewisohn and taking 5.1 mixes apart as well as outfakes etc. Take 9 was instrumental without vocals or bass IIRC, but @meanmistermustard might have more details on that.

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I don’t hear the problems others are hearing with take 9. It seems to me to fit Lewisohn’s description of where it stood at the end of the second day’s work on it:

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Ron Nasty said
I don’t hear the problems others are hearing with take 9. It seems to me to fit Lewisohn’s description of where it stood at the end of the second day’s work on it:

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The “Free Now” vocals sound distinct to the rest of the recording. We do have a bootleg of this from an acetate (Take 9, RM1), probably the one Lewisohn mentions which ends with none of the chat, so unless this is before that pre-tape reduction remix…

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Take 9 seems like it’s just the backing track with the vocals and bass overdubs added, as well as a speech at the end, pretty cheap if you ask me.  

More accurately its Take 9 + SI, pretty much the basic track without all the March overdubs. Not sure what you are expecting from an outtake, take 1 is also on the uber-deluxe and is an instrumental and the others are all incomplete. Apple are giving us the only two complete outtakes.

 

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29 April 2017
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I think it only sounds unusual because it’s unexpected, @meanmistermustard. As you say, we have a mix of take 9 that we’re familiar with, and there’s no hint of those ad-libbed vocals over the end.

I can understand those vocals not being on the mix, and the tape reduction of take 9 into take 10. They knew straight away they wouldn’t be using them. They just sound like the type of wild ad-libs that both Paul and John often came up with as recordings wound down.

This sounds to me like how it stood before the tape reduction, and that those vocals were lost during the tape reduction because they were not going to be used.

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I’m not sure if this is off topic but where can I hear a version of Sgt. Pepper with John’s bass part instead of Paul’s, I was wondering what John’s bass sounds like and was assuming that it might on this collection.

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What John bass part, @Dark Overlord? There isn’t one that I know of.

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Does this imply that we can’t trust Giles Martin’s mixes to be legit? Or is the bootlegged take 9 I own taken from an altered source? I don’t know who to trust. 

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As I say above, @sir walter raleigh, it sounds right to me.

Yes, the bootlegged take 9 is genuine, the mix done to move the song from take 9 to take 10. This, to my ears, is just before they turned take 9 into take 10. I just don’t have the doubts mmm does about those vocals being original. I just think they knew from the off that they weren’t serious.

@Joe, while surprised by those vocals over in the song thread, like me doesn’t suggest they have been flown in from elsewhere.

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Ron Nasty said

What John bass part, @Dark Overlord? There isn’t one that I know of.  

On the backing track, there was 2 guitars, drums, and bass. Since the guitars were played by Paul and George and the drums were played by Ringo, this means that the bass was originally played by John (presumably on George’s Burns bass he previously used during Revolver ) before being wiped by Paul’s overdub. Read this if you still don’t know what I’m talking about.

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Dark Overlord said

On the backing track, there was 2 guitars, drums, and bass. Since the guitars were played by Paul and George and the drums were played by Ringo, this means that the bass was originally played by John (presumably on George’s Burns bass he previously used during Revolver ) before being wiped by Paul’s overdub. Read this if you still don’t know what I’m talking about.  

The bass was overdubbed by Paul after the backing track was laid down.

The backing was perfected in nine takes, with Ringo’s drums and Paul and George’s electric guitars all going onto track 1. Paul then overdubbed his bass guitar on track 2, not amplied and miked but with the signal fed directly into the recording desk.

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According to Geoff Emmerick, John plays bass on the backing track through DI, so Paul can later overdub his own bass part, thereby wiping John’s. This is also supported by Mark Lewisohn, who claims the backing track had drums, bass, and 2 guitars, one by Paul and one by George. Sadly, I can’t find a version with John’s bass instead of Paul’s. It’s odd they did this as they recorded quite a few of the tracks from Revolver , as well as this album, without any bass on the backing track.

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Emerick is often an unreliable witness, while Lewisohn merely states the instruments that made up the backing track. An overdubbed bass would still be part of the backing track, to my mind.

However, if there was a guide bass part by John, I would expect to find it on take 1 when we get to hear it in 20-odd days.

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Although I agree that Geoff’s claims should be taken with a grain of salt, especially considering he thinks that George played bass on Rock And Roll Music , but he was an eyewitness and his claim seems legitimate in this case. Also, I’m pretty sure backing track means no overdubs, so that would mean that an overdubbed bass would not be part of the backing track.

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glazball said
When I checked Amazon (US) last night, the deluxe boxset was priced at ~$118.  As much as I would LOVE to have all the new tracks, that’s just too expensive for me.  And do we really need a 2017 remaster??

Alas, I’ll have to celebrate with my crummy old obsolete 2009 disc lol.

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We know that it will be released for the 50th anniversary of the album, a special version of Sergeant Pepper. This edition will bring, in addition to another remix of songs, some “unpublished shots” of songs and recordings in the studio.

The point here is, that very few of these shots really are “unpublished” or “never heard.” To whom I owe this post and the full investigation is to my friend David Alejandro Guarneros of Mexico, who took the trouble to inquire among different bootleg materials that abound in forums to really see that we offer with this new version.

This case had already occurred with the official bootleg album for ITunes that was released in 2013, whose songs had been for almost ten years in one of the band’s most famous bootleg compilations, the Artifacts. Among the research that was carried out, we have that only 14 songs of the unpublished takes that will contain the album are really unpublished, and this based on the bootleg material on the recordings of the album. Here the complete list of songs.

CD 2: Complete early takes from the sessions, sequenced in chronological order of their first recording dates

  1. A Day In The Life [Orchestra Overdub]
  2. A Day In The Life (The Last Chord)
  3. Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band [Take 1 – Instrumental]
  4. Good Morning Good Morning [Take 1 – Instrumental, Breakdown]

CD 3: Complete early takes from the sessions, sequenced in chronological order of their first recording dates

  1. Fixing A Hole [Take 1]
  2. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds [Take 1 And Speech At The End ]
  3. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds [Speech, False Start And Take 5]
  4. Getting Better [Take 1 – Instrumental And Speech At The End ]
  5. Within You Without You [George Coaching The Musicians]
  6. She’s Leaving Home [Take 6 – Instrumental]
  7. With A Little Help From My Friends [Take 1 – False Start And Take 2 – Instrumental]
  8. Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) [Speech And Take 8]
  9. A Day In The Life [Unreleased First Mono Mix]
  10. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds [Unreleased Mono Mix – No. 11]
  11. She’s Leaving Home [Unreleased First Mono Mix]

With this I simply say that, I’m not saying to do not buy the album, just think about what new material of the Beatles they are offering us and if it’s really worth the expense. Every year we have new material from the band. Some things are really valuable to the collection, others are simply disposable but the same names of the Beatles and the weight of their image on us makes us believe necessary to buy those items that many times, it is the same, but re-packaged with New or summarized title (such as Eight Days A Week ).

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