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HELP! (1965) AVERAGED RANK
This is a copy paste:
I decided to go on a task of continuing and updating list of every post averaged in the thread to create a decent ranking of the tracks off every album. In this case Help ! I clarify my process and rules below.
1 – Ticket to Ride (392 points)
2 – Help! (357 points)
3 – You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away (329 points)
4 – I’ve Just Seen a Face (322 points)
5 – Yesterday (312 points)
6 – You’re Going to Lose That Girl (255 points)
7 – The Night Before (235 points)
8 – It’s Only Love (220 points)
9 – I Need You (206 points)
10 – Another Girl (155 points)
11 – Tell Me What You See (125 points)
12 – Act Naturally (107 points)
13 – You Like Me Too Much (97 points)
14 – Dizzy Miss Lizzy (60 points)
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Averaging process and rules:
A pretty classic averaging system; it goes basically by giving the maximum amount of points to the top track on every post (in this case 13) and as the list progresses into the “worst” tracks each track gets one point less. The last track gets no points. For this to apply the post must have the 14 Help ! songs ranked.
IMPORTANT: if you think one of your rankings might have one of these ambiguous qualities that might disqualify it and you want to be counted in the averaging DON’T edit it; post it again with more detail, otherwise I won’t be able to subtract the points and add them again and it won’t be counted anyway.
Particular cases:
-NO. 1- Sometimes if there is a track missing but there’s a written clarification, it can be counted. In the case of Abbey Road , for instance, some people don’t count Her Majesty . In that case I count the post and give no points to Her Majesty only if there is a written statement of why its missing. If one track is missing and the post doesn’t have any written clarification then it is considered a mistake and therefore disqualified.
-NO. 2- The tracklist considered is taken out of the Wikipedia/RYM/Discogs “official” tracklists. This means those who rank the Abbey Road Medley as a whole don’t get counted unless they clarify by writing that the tracks separately also rank that way, same with any variation of the sort.
-NO. 3- If a person implies to a previous post that “that would exactly be [their] ranking” and don’t post any ranking themselves, then the points of the first person will be added a second time in behalf of the second person.
-NO. 4- Only one person each ranking. If you posted several times your changes, only the last one will be counted (unless it has any mistakes, missing tracks, etc., in that case then the last one that has no issues will be the one counted).
-NO. 5- The rankings are considered given the numbers apply to them, “1” universally represents the top spot. Unless there is a written statement that clarifies it’s the other way around, this is the way it will be counted.
-NO. 6- If there are no numbers on the ranking and no written clarification it could go either way. At first I used to think the ones at the top were the number 1 spot but in some cases it just isn’t that way. So I decided I’ll just grab the worst rated track up to that point and I see if it falls on the top half or the bottom half. If it falls on the top half I’ll consider the bottom half the top spot and if it falls on the bottom half then I’ll consider the top half the top spot. It might be unfair at times as it might reverse someones’ ranking if they are unlucky by voting positively a previously negatively voted track, but in the grand scheme of things I think it was mostly accurate. In case that the number of tracks is odd (A Hard Day’s Night , Sgt. Pepper ‘s Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour , Yellow Submarine ‘s Side B & Abbey Road ) and the worst rated track falls in precisely the middle spot then I just take the second to worst rated and judge as to where that one falls.
-NO. 7- If there are “ties” in someone’s ranking their ranking can still be counted but it won’t represent exactly the ties in the overall averaging. If there is still a list-like format then I go from the bottom to the top adding points just like usual, so tied tracks can get different scores but just differing in one single point or two (unless you tie like 5 tracks together), but I think it’s more fair than not letting those people participate at all. It might seem unfair but if the tied tracks were to get the same points, it would increasingly leave an averaging gap between those songs so it’s mathematically better to just stick to the original adding process.
-NO. 8- If there are two tracks that are “tied” then I will just give more points to the one that is named first, regardless of descriptions, just to keep the whole thing going. Unless there’s a specific written clarification of why one of the tracks is better or more of a favourite, then I’ll just give more points to the one named first.
-NO. 9- However, if there’s a tie between three tracks (or more) then that post will no longer be counted unless the list has a specific ranking format in which case see item “-NO. 7-“.
-NO. 10- I guess that if someone doesn’t want to be counted in the averaging he can ask me not to count him in but I hope nobody does that so we get his opinion too
All of these rules are up to debate if someone disagrees with part of the judgement. I’m sure we can reach an agreement if they are considered questionable.
IMPORTANT: if you think one of your rankings might have one of these ambiguous qualities that might disqualify it and you want to be counted in the averaging DON’T edit it; post it again with more detail, otherwise I won’t be able to subtract the points and add them again and it won’t be counted anyway.
Also here’s a playlist with the results from worst to best in case you want to see how effective it proves in practice (I’ll try edit these as well):
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26 August 2015
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Great Album, Great Movie….
- Yesterday
- I Need You
- Ticket To Ride
- Help
- You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away
- You’re Going To Lose That Girl
- The Night Before
- Another Girl
- Act Naturally
- Dizzy Miss Lizzy
- I’ve Just Seen A Face
- It’s Only Love
- You Like Me Too Much
- Tell Me What You See
What Do Y’all Think
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11.20pm
26 January 2014
Offline 1. Help 10/10
2. Yesterday 10/10
3. Ticket To Ride 10/10
4. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away 10/10
5. I’ve Just Seen A Face 9/10
6. It’s Only Love 8.5/10
7. You’re Going To Lose That Girl 8.5/10
8. Another Girl 8/10
9. Night Before 7.5/10
10. I Need You 7.5/10
11. Tell Me What You See 7/10
12. You Like Me Too Much 6.5/10
13. Act Naturally 6/10
14. Dizzy Miss Lizzy 5.5/10
12.29pm
1 September 2015
Offline 2. Help
3. Yesterday
5. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away
9. I Need You
11. Act Naturally
12. You’re Going To Lose That Girl
14. Another Girl
Awesome album. Lots of excellent tracks on this one.
3.49pm
5 October 2016
Offline 14:Dizzy Miss Lizzy (3/10)
I don’t “hate” this song but i still don’t like it. It’s a big meh for me.
13:The Night Before (4/10)
As i mentioned above. I just don’t care for this song. It’s not a bad song (it’s actually better than Dizzy Miss Lizzy ). It’s just not my taste.
12:Another Girl (4/10)
This song just feels like a filler. A empty filler.
11:You’re Going To Lose That Girl (5/10)
This one does also feel like a filler. It feels a little bit less like a filler than Another Girl tho.
10:Act Naturally (5/10)
The ringo song of the album. I like Ringo’s voice so this song isn’t so bad.
9:You Like Me Too Much (5/10)
George can do better than this. Still a good song.
8:Tell Me What You See (6/10)
A good song. Might even be rating this a bit too low.
7:I Need You (7/10)
A great song. I almost love it. Almost.
6:Yesterday (7/10)
A masterpiece for sure. But i think i’ve heard it too much. Getting kinda sick of it.
5:Help ! (7/10)
The same as above. I haven’t heard this the same amount of time tho.
4:Ticket To Ride (8/10)
Used to love this a lot when i was new to the Beatles. I still love it but just not as much as i used to do.
3:It’s Only Love (8/10)
Not the best lyrics but a great melody. I love the chorus.
2:I’ve Just Seen A Face (8/10)
Amazing song. I do love the verses more than the chorus tho.
1:You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away (10/10)
Inspired by Dylan i guess. But i like John’s voice way more than Dylans. Amazing song.
Also i rank 1-10 in Beatles number.
A song with 3/10 can still be good. It’s just that Beatles are an amazing band. Can’t rank all of them 10!
6.33pm
23 August 2016
Offline We were discussing this recently on the Hoffman forum. I think Help ! is not one of the better Beatles albums. Sure it has lots of great songs and I’ve played all of them countless times since the 1970’s, but when you really analyze it and compare it to other landmark albums like Rubber Soul or A Hard Days Night, those albums are far better. Help is a transitional album, not a statement like the other two were. The interesting thing was a lot of songs were recorded for Help . For Rubber Soul , the band was pressed to finish on time and had to come up with some last minute songs like You Won’t See Me and Girl (good job boys!). Help had a lot to choose from. In addition to the 14 songs on the album, you had Yes It Is , I’m Down (both used as B-sides), Bad Boy , If You’ve Got Trouble , and That Means A Lot . On top of that, the song Wait was also recorded for Help (although technically finished for Rubber Soul ). So there were 20 songs to choose from for the album. They made a lot more money putting their originals on the B-sides of the big singles so I could understand why Yes It Is and I’m Down were used that way.
Taking into account the songs used for the movie, I would make the following changes to Help just to improve the overall album. I would drop Dizzy Miss Lizzy for I’m Down (a cover for an original). I would drop You Like Me Too Much and Tell Me What You See for Yes It Is and That Means A Lot . Lastly I would bring in Bad Boy for Act Naturally although it’s a toss up to give Ringo a song. I would not use If You’ve Got Trouble , that is a total throwaway.
Side One:
You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away
You’re Gonna Lose That Girl
Side Two:
12.20pm
28 March 2014
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Taking into account the songs used for the movie, I would make the following changes to Help just to improve the overall album.
I’d change nuthin’ 
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3.22am
25 November 2016
Offline 14. You Like Me Too Much – Just not very memorable, and bland instrumentation.
13. Tell Me What You See – Same as You Like Me Too Much .
12. I Need You – Great guitar work.
11. Dizzy Miss Lizzy – Great song, but feels out of place of the whole album.
10. It’s Only Love – Another great song, just not much to it.
9. Act Naturally – One of Ringo’s best.
8. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away – A classic acoustic song.
7. Another Girl – Fantastic song with fantastic lyrics.
6. The Night Before – I love the guitar solo and the backing vocals.
5. I’ve Just Seen A Face – I like it better as an opener for the US Rubber Soul , but great song overall.
4. Help ! – One of John’s best songs lyrically.
3. You’re Going To Lose That Girl – I love the lead vocals and backing vocals working together on this one.
2. Ticket To Ride – Just an awesome rocker, and I love the coda.
1. Yesterday – This song always hits me in the feels.
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14. You Like Me Too Much – the intro and electric piano are interesting, but this song still goes nowhere
13. Dizzy Miss Lizzy – that damn two-fret guitar lick gets awful repetitive…I’d like the song 40% more if the entire first instrumental chorus was eliminated and the song began with John’s vocal alone and the band kicking into action on the word “…Lizzy”
12. I Need You – song is just OK and George’s rough volume-pedal work distracts (but I still give him credit for trying it out)
11. You’re Gonna Lose That Girl – nice bongos and call-and-response vocals
10. It’s Only Love – pleasantly melancholy, nice chords and internal rhymes
9. Tell Me What You See – this song isn’t rated highly but something about John and Paul’s unison vocal mesmerizes me
8. Act Naturally – a good song seemingly custom-made for Ringo
7. Another Girl – I like the momentum in this song, the lead guitar commentary throughout, the way it keeps stopping on the words “…for I have got.” (And the “Help !” video is a visual delight)
6. The Night Before – more of that electric piano that spices up so much of the album
5. Yesterday – the quality of this song and the next four is unassailable
3. Help !
GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty.
8.33pm
26 January 2017
Offline I’ll do one of these.
14. Dizzy Miss Lizzy – Terrible song. I always wonder why they chose to cover it. The whole song is built around a riff that would be better off as the soundtrack to a transition between scenes in a cartoon.
13. You Like Me Too Much – I’m not a huge fan of the lyrics, and agree with vonbontee that it has very little direction.
12. Another Girl – Standard tune. They call it a throwaway and I agree. If it was really written from the heart then Paul would be a major a*****e.
11. Act Naturally – This is a nice little tune. I love the way the backup vocals come in on “well I bet you”
10. Tell Me What You See – Suberb verses, but the refrain is a little plain and predictable.
9. The Night Before – Great song with great vocals on top. The melody line on “when I held you near you were so sincere” is splendid.
8. I Need You – early George songwriting. Some of his songs have this innate peculiarity to them that only can come from him. This is one of those songs. A lot of people don’t like the pedal guitar and the slightly off beat rhythm, but I dig it.
7. Its Only Love – See the “wheres the love for Its Only Love?” Thread.
6. You’re Gonna Lose That Girl – Awesome from the get go. I’m always reminded of the great scene from the movie where Ringo falls through the floor after the take, but the song itself is brilliant. The falsetto soars and the backup vocals are catchy as hell, but I especially love the modulation to the bridge.
My top five is the same as @vonbontee’s in a slightly different order:
5. I’ve Just Seen A Face – I was turned onto this song from SNL 40 and never looked back.
4. Help ! – awesome opener with a lot of meaning.
3. You’ve Got To Hide Yor Love Away – Hey! Undeniably good music here.
2. Ticket To Ride – My baby don’t care! The riff, the drums, the harmonies… Landmark Beatles
1. Maybe its the obvious choice, but come on, it is an amazing song.
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9.03pm
9 March 2017
Offline I don’t usually do these but here goes nothing:
14. You Like Me Too Much (pure filler, the only reason this song is even on here is because they needed 2 songs for George)
13. Yesterday (a good song that got so overplayed)
12. Act Naturally (Ringo should stick to drumming, although I do like George’s lead parts)
11. I Need You (this album sure was a weak spot for George)
10. Ticket To Ride (good effort but doesn’t grab me the same way other songs do)
9. Dizzy Miss Lizzy (I would’ve ranked this song higher but George’s lead guitar is so basic and uncreative, Lil’ Wayne could play it)
8. The Night Before (good job, I like how the solo is played in octaves, which will later be repeated for the solo in Dear Prudence )
7. It’s Only Love (I like this song, very poetic and the whammy sound is great as well)
6. Help ! (one of my favorite Beatle title tracks, I wish The Beatles didn’t drop it from their setlist in 1966)
5. Another Girl (another great song)
4. I’ve Just Seen A Face (can’t go wrong here, just 3 guys jamming out on acoustic guitars and I love it)
3. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away (very Dylan like, I like this song)
2. Tell Me What You See (very relaxed and John’s Fender Strat sounds great strumming those open chords)
1. You’re Going To Lose That Girl (this is Help !’s version of Nowhere Man and deserves top spot on this list)
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11.17pm
15 March 2017
Offline 14. Tell Me What You See – I don’t hate this song but it is the weakest track on this album in my opinion.
13. You Like Me Too Much – I only slightly like this song more than Tell Me What You See .
12. Act Naturally – Not the best Ringo song but a fun one.
11. Dizzy Miss Lizzy – Nice performance from John but the band sound weak in my opinion.
10. It’s Only Love – Good chorus and not so great verses but an alright track.
9. Yesterday – Well written and well performed but overplayed and I am a little sick of it.
8. I Need You – Not a bad effort from George who is starting to find his feet but still not as good as his band mates.
7. Another Girl – A fun little pop/rock song.
6. You’re Going To Lose That Girl – The harmonies and the lyrics win me over.
5. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away – A Dylan influenced acoustic track. Some of Lennon’s best lyrics.
4. The Night Before – Not everyone’s cup of tea but when this song starts I really enjoy it.
3. I’ve Just Seen A Face – One of Macca’s best songs.
2. Help ! – Another great lyric from Lennon. I love the back and forth vocals.
1. Ticket To Ride – One of The Beatles all time great rock songs.
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Offline No idea how I would rank this album. ‘Dizzy Miss Lizzy would be #14 as it is so out of place after ‘Yesterday ‘ but I do really like the song when played outside of the album. Everything else would take longer than the album to list as it’s such a fabulous album to fly thru when playing.
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8.08pm
15 March 2017
Offline Doing these song rankings can be a little hard because opinions can change and on a different day you might like some songs better than other songs but it is a fun little exercise anyway.
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10.13am
26 January 2017
Offline I've been up on the mountain, and I've seen his wondrous grace,
I've sat there on the barstool and I've looked him in the face.
He seemed a little haggard, but it did not slow him down,
he was humming to the neon of the universal sound.
11.12am
1 June 2017
Offline Responding because I have a very different order, it seems…
Growing up Help was always my favorite Beatles album. I didn’t get into post 1967 beatles until my late 20s. So I really love Help and don’t see it as filler. It’s interesting to see that other people generally have a consensus that it is a lesser album and full of filler songs.
These are my favorites:
1. Ticket To Ride . 10/10. Perfect Beatles song I think.
2. Help 10/10
3. I Need You 9/10
– I just like listening to this one. I like the guitar tone. For some reason even the simple Beatles songs really translate for me emotionally, so I feel for George in this one.
4. You Like Me Too Much 9/10
– Everyone seems to rank this song last but I just love it. Love the intro. The song may not be as complicated or interesting but I think it’s playful, flirtatious, and actually expresses kind of a tender moment if you imagine the situation when this conversation happens. It’s fun to listen to!
5. I’ve Just Seen A Face 9/10
– Also ranked low by a lot of people but I love it. I love the intro. I think the fast pace and how the words stream together without any rests really works because it evokes that energetic, impatient feeling of just meeting someone and needing to find out more about them.
6. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away 9/10
– I don’t listen to this song as often but I admit it’s one of their best on the album.
7. Act Naturally 8/10
– Fun, sad, song. Super relatable. This song delights me when I hear it. I love any Ringo song.
8. Another Girl 7/10
9. The Night Before . 7/10
– I love the tone of Paul’s voice in this one.
10.You’re Gonna Lose That Girl. 7/10
11. Tell Me What You See 7/10
– I actually really like this song. I love listening to it. See my problem with Help is that there are too many GOOD songs on the album, so ones I like end up in #11.
12. It’s Only Love 5/10
13. Yesterday 5/10
– I know it is one of The Beatles Songs but I don’t enjoy listening to it as much, so that’s why I didn’t really include it in the ranking. It is good but I don’t even think of it when I think of Help . I think of it like it’s own entity separate from Help , haha.
14. Dizzy Miss Lizzy 1/10
– This is the one song I could really do without. Feels like it belongs on Beatles For Sale .
2.35pm
12 April 2017
Offline This was a really really hard album for me to rank.
- You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away
- Ticket To Ride
- I’ve Just Seen A Face
- It’s Only Love
- Tell Me What You See
- You’re Going To Lose That Girl
- The Night Before
- You Like Me Too Much
- Another Girl
- I Need You
- Help !
- Yesterday
- Dizzy Miss Lizzy
- Act Naturally
“Act Naturally ” is one of the few Beatles songs I don’t even have a copy of anymore. I hated ranking “Help !” & “Yesterday ” so low. I’ve never really liked “Yesterday ” very much though. As for “Help !”, well, I’ve heard that so much in my life that it’s become like gum you’ve been chewing so long that it’s lost its flavor. Good song, and I do listen to it somewhat regularly, but, I just couldn’t rank it higher. I think “Tell Me What You See “, is one of the most underrated Beatles songs, and that it’s the most interesting pre-Revolver song. It’s weird, and shows them trying different sounds and trying out new musical ideas that they didn’t try before.
10.51pm
26 January 2017
Offline Tell Me What You See is moving up on mine. Probably 3 or 4 at this point.
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3.46am
19 January 2017
Offline I think Help ! is a pretty easy album to rank. I love every track.
My list:
14. You Like Me Too Much – Not a terrible song, just not very memorable. The lyrics are pretty weak as well.
13. Act Naturally – I actually prefer this song to What Goes On , it suits Ringo far better. Gets boring after too many listens though.
12. Dizzy Miss Lizzy – Great vocal performance by John but the guitar riff just gets annoying after a while.
11. Tell Me What You See – Even though it’s kind of fillerish this is the good kind of filler. Good vocal performance by Paul and John.
10. Another Girl – Good song but it doesn’t have too much going for it. The weakest track on side one for me.
9. It’s Only Love – Lovely song but the lyrics ruin it a bit. If they were better it could have been a top 5 track.
8. Yesterday – Undoubtedly an amazing song just very overplayed. I enjoy other songs on the album more.
7. I Need You – A very underrated George song. I love the volume pedal guitar technique used by George.
6. The Night Before – Great rocking track and I love Ringos drumming.
5. You’re Going To Lose That Girl – Love this track. Has some brilliant harmonies and the lyrics are pretty strong.
4. Help ! – The lyrics and tempo are what make this song so brilliant. Probably a bit overplayed though.
3. You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away – Incredible Dylan-esque singalong song containing Johns best lyrics up to that point.
2. I’ve Just Seen A Face – You can’t really fault this song. It’s a pretty unique song for the Beatles as well. Love it.
1. Ticket To Ride – For some reason the song never gets boring even though it’s played a lot. Everything about it is awesome.
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6.43am
9 March 2017
Offline I think that’s a great list although I prefer What Goes On to Act Naturally because Act Naturally is a cover whereas What Goes On is an original song and Ringo even helped write it.
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