Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
Anthology Albums 1, 2 & 3
5 September 2013
4.38am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The full Decca audition was 15 songs and is here:

The reason for not including, I am sure they would say space.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

5 September 2013
5.07am
Avatar
trcanberra
Oz
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6064
Member Since:
29 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
102sp_Permalink sp_Print

^  Thanks for that.

I guess they couldn’t include everything on the set, but that lot seemed of more historical interest than some of the other inclusions, and there seemed to be a fair amount of space on the CD – but I guess whatever they left off would have been of interest to someone.

==> trcanberra and hongkonglady - Together even when not (married for those not in the know!) <==

5 September 2013
5.16am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
103sp_Permalink sp_Print

Always my annoyance with the Anthology CDs, their length. Had I been in charge I would have been aiming to get as close to 79 minutes as possible. The material is certainly there. It is the big difference between what they did and Dylan’s Bootleg Series (except in the case of his concert editions), he uses the available space.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

5 September 2013
9.20am
Avatar
trcanberra
Oz
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 6064
Member Since:
29 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
104sp_Permalink sp_Print

mja6758 said
Always my annoyance with the Anthology CDs, their length. Had I been in charge I would have been aiming to get as close to 79 minutes as possible. The material is certainly there. It is the big difference between what they did and Dylan’s Bootleg Series (except in the case of his concert editions), he uses the available space.

That had me wondering too, was there an LP release which would have been problematic?  I can see the 2 current CDs fitting on 3 LPs.

 

==> trcanberra and hongkonglady - Together even when not (married for those not in the know!) <==

5 September 2013
11.37am
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 25171
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The anthology discs were to be a listenable overview for casual fans and of interest to hardcore fans of what the beatles did so we would never have gotten complete auditions, bbc shows or concerts, remember it isn’t just the decca tapes that aren’t complete, we also have the Sweden concert in ’63 half filled, From Me To You at the London Palladium missing, Act Naturally from Blackpool Night Out (some of those were in the dvd set). Basically Apple aimed at pleasing both sides and so ultimately gave us a mushed result which left both sides unsatisfied. 

There are also studio outtakes that were considered for inclusion that were cut near the end, Here Comes The Sun and an alternate Abbey Road medley being two. Rather have those than a poor Till There Was You . The only track from Decca that should have been on the Anthology and wasn’t is Love of The Loved, the only omitted Lennon/McCartney original (or should that be McCartney/Lennon?).

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

20 January 2014
8.58pm
Avatar
parlance
Slaggers
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 7111
Member Since:
8 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
106sp_Permalink sp_Print

It was 20 years ago as of yesterday that Paul, George and Ringo started working together again as The Beatles. WogBlog details the recording sessions.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

Check out my fan video for Paul's song "Appreciate" at Vimeo or YouTube.

20 January 2014
9.08pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22680
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
107sp_Permalink sp_Print

parlance said
It was 20 years ago as of yesterday that Paul, George and Ringo started working together again as The Beatles. WogBlog details the recording sessions.

parlance

Now, parlance, you gotta know you have us all singing “It was twenty years ago today / Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play”.

Good song.

The following people thank Ahhh Girl for this post:

Matt Busby
20 January 2014
9.20pm
Avatar
Billy Rhythm
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 953
Member Since:
22 December 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
108sp_Permalink sp_Print

meanmistermustard said 

There are also studio outtakes that were considered for inclusion that were cut near the end, Here Comes The Sun and an alternate Abbey Road medley being two. Rather have those than a poor Till There Was You . The only track from Decca that should have been on the Anthology and wasn’t is Love of The Loved, the only omitted Lennon/McCartney original (or should that be McCartney/Lennon?).

 

You made me think of something that I ran across recently, it’s a video of Dhani Harrison & George Martin at Abbey Road playing around with the Masters for ‘Here Comes The Sun ‘ and you can hear an electric guitar part which never made the cut, I like the connection that George Martin makes on Dhani’s comments about the odd timing of the song at the very end of the video…:-)

 

 

 

The following people thank Billy Rhythm for this post:

Matt Busby, Bongo
20 January 2014
11.44pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
109sp_Permalink sp_Print

Billy Rhythm said

meanmistermustard said 

There are also studio outtakes that were considered for inclusion that were cut near the end, Here Comes The Sun and an alternate Abbey Road medley being two. Rather have those than a poor Till There Was You . The only track from Decca that should have been on the Anthology and wasn’t is Love of The Loved, the only omitted Lennon/McCartney original (or should that be McCartney/Lennon?).

You made me think of something that I ran across recently, it’s a video of Dhani Harrison & George Martin at Abbey Road playing around with the Masters for ‘Here Comes The Sun ‘ and you can hear an electric guitar part which never made the cut, I like the connection that George Martin makes on Dhani’s comments about the odd timing of the song at the very end of the video…:-)

I always thought the big absence that illustrated something about The Beatles from Anthology and the Decca inclusions, was not the third of the weak originals that was not included, but Take Good Care of My Baby – which showed them as a band constantly searching the charts for something new to fill their time on stage. And, in my opinion, a damn fine version.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

20 January 2014
11.54pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22680
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
110sp_Permalink sp_Print

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8ASJ is going to like that.

Dhani%2BHarrison.jpgImage Enlarger

21 January 2014
12.20am
Avatar
AppleScruffJunior
Sitting here doing nothing but procrastinating...
Apple rooftop
Reviewers

Members
Forum Posts: 7585
Member Since:
18 March 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
111sp_Permalink sp_Print

^^^ You know me too well AG, I do love me some Dhannerz a-hard-days-night-george-10 I also did manage to convince a friend that he is a ride because face it, he is :P And I may or may not have watched that HCTS clip about 50 times, you rarely see Dhani wearing glasses so it gains my seal of approval.
a-hard-days-night-george-4

The following people thank AppleScruffJunior for this post:

Beatlebug

 

INTROVERTS UNITE! Separately....in your own homes!

                 ***

Make Love, Not Wardrobes!

                ***

"Stop throwing jelly beans at me"- George Harrison

21 January 2014
12.43am
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22680
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
112sp_Permalink sp_Print

AppleScruffJunior said
^^^ You know me too well AG, I do love me some Dhannerz a-hard-days-night-george-10 I also did manage to convince a friend that he is a ride because face it, he is :P And I may or may not have watched that HCTS clip about 50 times, you rarely see Dhani wearing glasses so it gains my seal of approval.
a-hard-days-night-george-4

Yeah, I looked for a picture of him in glasses, but there aren’t many out there.

 

21 January 2014
9.39pm
Avatar
Billy Rhythm
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 953
Member Since:
22 December 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
113sp_Permalink sp_Print

mja6758 said 

I always thought the big absence that illustrated something about The Beatles from Anthology and the Decca inclusions, was not the third of the weak originals that was not included, but Take Good Care of My Baby – which showed them as a band constantly searching the charts for something new to fill their time on stage. And, in my opinion, a damn fine version.

 

I always thought that ‘Take Good Care of My Baby’ was one of the better tracks from the Decca Tapes as well, unfortunately, it also showcases just why Pete Best had to be replaced.  It’s very evident that he’s drumming along to the others instead of dictating the song himself, as Ringo would’ve.  George Martin had said that “they lacked the binding force that a good drummer should give them” when discussing their first audition, and this song is an excellent example of just what Sir George was talking about, the drummer should be driving the song, not struggling to keep up as Pete obviously is here…:-)

21 January 2014
11.11pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 25171
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think Take Good Care Of My Baby shows exactly why Decca went elsewhere; lacking any real excitement or drive it just feels incredibly restricted and safe. On stage the Beatles would have rocked this out yet here its just a bland 2 1/2 minute uninspired filler which would have been common place on albums all bands at the time were having shoved out with little thought by the record companies to fulfill the quota of 14 tracks. If recorded 13 1/2 months later it would have been balls to the wall, driven on by Ringo’s drumming and an energised bass by Paul, here both are missing. 

It wasn’t just down to Pete that the Decca audition was average, all four were nervous and it feels like both Paul and John went into their shell a little going by the tape. 

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

22 January 2014
6.26am
Avatar
TheOneBeatle
Here, There And Everywhere
Hollywood Bowl
Members
Forum Posts: 678
Member Since:
10 November 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
115sp_Permalink sp_Print

meanmistermustard said

mr. Sun king coming together said:

I know all that. But if you want people to buy Anthology, you need it to be good music. You can’t have it be complete s**t. So they edited it to make sure it was an enjoyable listen, on top of an interesting listen.

If they wanted an interesting and enjoyable listen with the Anthology’s they should have ditched Mary Jane. Neither interesting or listenable, just 6 minutes of unlistenable garbage – 6 minutes!! Even the remix didnt make it bareable.

I have to disagree. What’s The New Mary Jane is one of my favorites songs of them, and it could have fit the White Album (though I’ll admit is not better than Not Guilty ; I am still astonished that that one didn’t even make it to the tracklist but Mary Jane did up to the last minute, and worse, WHP was actually released!). And I am referring to the original 6:40 mix, not the remix released on Anthology. I think that it could have replaced Revolution 9 (that one is also a ”song” I listen to from time to time, but Mary Jane could have been a better choice).

Let me take you down 'cause I'm going to...Strawberry Fields.

22 January 2014
6.39am
Avatar
TheOneBeatle
Here, There And Everywhere
Hollywood Bowl
Members
Forum Posts: 678
Member Since:
10 November 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
116sp_Permalink sp_Print

Billy Rhythm said

mja6758 said 
I always thought the big absence that illustrated something about The Beatles from Anthology and the Decca inclusions, was not the third of the weak originals that was not included, but Take Good Care of My Baby – which showed them as a band constantly searching the charts for something new to fill their time on stage. And, in my opinion, a damn fine version.

 

I always thought that ‘Take Good Care of My Baby’ was one of the better tracks from the Decca Tapes as well, unfortunately, it also showcases just why Pete Best had to be replaced.  It’s very evident that he’s drumming along to the others instead of dictating the song himself, as Ringo would’ve.  George Martin had said that “they lacked the binding force that a good drummer should give them” when discussing their first audition, and this song is an excellent example of just what Sir George was talking about, the drummer should be driving the song, not struggling to keep up as Pete obviously is here…:-)

I love the Decca Audition. All the songs played there are great. One thing I have to note is that: It is not just Pete, all four were nervous in that audition, and as a result their performances aren’t that great, but also not disastrous; they are entertaining. Pete was not a bad drummer pete-best, but his personality was what didn’t match with the other three a-hard-days-night-john-7a-hard-days-night-paul-3a-hard-days-night-george-4. If anyone here has heard his drumming on the Tony Sheridan recordings, he is actually pretty good. And while his drumming on Love Me Do on the EMI session is disastrous, Besame Mucho from the same session is actually good. But ultimately, Ringo was the right and best one that fitted perfectly with the others. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

Let me take you down 'cause I'm going to...Strawberry Fields.

22 January 2014
12.03pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 25171
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
117sp_Permalink sp_Print

TheOneBeatleManiac said

meanmistermustard said

mr. Sun king coming together said:

I know all that. But if you want people to buy Anthology, you need it to be good music. You can’t have it be complete s**t. So they edited it to make sure it was an enjoyable listen, on top of an interesting listen.

If they wanted an interesting and enjoyable listen with the Anthology’s they should have ditched Mary Jane. Neither interesting or listenable, just 6 minutes of unlistenable garbage – 6 minutes!! Even the remix didnt make it bareable.

I have to disagree. What’s The New Mary Jane is one of my favorites songs of them, and it could have fit the White Album (though I’ll admit is not better than Not Guilty ; I am still astonished that that one didn’t even make it to the tracklist but Mary Jane did up to the last minute, and worse, WHP was actually released!). And I am referring to the original 6:40 mix, not the remix released on Anthology. I think that it could have replaced Revolution 9 (that one is also a ”song” I listen to from time to time, but Mary Jane could have been a better choice).

I like the thumping piano towards the end but otherwise find it to be a headache inducing mess and a bore, whereas at least Revolution 9 is interesting to listen to as new bits and pieces can be heard all the time. WHP is pleasant enough and is gone before you get irritated, WTNMJ stays well beyond that point; its like you’ve made the coffee to go and drank it, said you’ve got a busy day tomorrow and cant stay up late, coughed, stretched out loudly, looked numerous times at your watch, got into your pajamas, and finally turned the lights out yet it still doesn’t get the signs and leave your bloody house.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Beatlebug

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

22 January 2014
7.45pm
Avatar
TheOneBeatle
Here, There And Everywhere
Hollywood Bowl
Members
Forum Posts: 678
Member Since:
10 November 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

meanmistermustard said
I like the thumping piano towards the end but otherwise find it to be a headache inducing mess and a bore, whereas at least Revolution 9 is interesting to listen to as new bits and pieces can be heard all the time. WHP is pleasant enough and is gone before you get irritated, WTNMJ stays well beyond that point; its like you’ve made the coffee to go and drank it, said you’ve got a busy day tomorrow and cant stay up late, coughed, stretched out loudly, looked numerous times at your watch, got into your pajamas, and finally turned the lights out yet it still doesn’t get the signs and leave your bloody house.

I can understand how irritating can be this song for you as some people are irritated with Revolution 9 . But for me, all three songs (even if WHP irritates me, like WTNMJ irritates you) have those bits and pieces to be discovered like you say.

Let me take you down 'cause I'm going to...Strawberry Fields.

22 January 2014
8.14pm
Avatar
Zig
The Toppermost of the Poppermost
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 9827
Member Since:
14 April 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
119sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ahhh Girl said

AppleScruffJunior said
^^^ You know me too well AG, I do love me some Dhannerz a-hard-days-night-george-10 I also did manage to convince a friend that he is a ride because face it, he is :P And I may or may not have watched that HCTS clip about 50 times, you rarely see Dhani wearing glasses so it gains my seal of approval.
a-hard-days-night-george-4

Yeah, I looked for a picture of him in glasses, but there aren’t many out there.

Dhani-and-Co-dhani-harrison-20857560-800-791.jpgImage Enlarger

I know it’s off topic – deal with it. a-hard-days-night-john-1

BTW, is that a portion of Neil Aspinall’s kisser between Ringo and Dhani or could this pic have been taken after Neil died (24 March 2008)? It won’t keep me up at night – just curious.

neil-aspinall

I always try to see if I can spot other people I know of in pictures of The Beatles.

The following people thank Zig for this post:

Beatlebug

To the fountain of perpetual mirth, let it roll for all its worth. And all the children boogie.

22 January 2014
8.21pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 22680
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Zig said

Ahhh Girl said

AppleScruffJunior said
^^^ You know me too well AG, I do love me some Dhannerz a-hard-days-night-george-10 I also did manage to convince a friend that he is a ride because face it, he is :P And I may or may not have watched that HCTS clip about 50 times, you rarely see Dhani wearing glasses so it gains my seal of approval.
a-hard-days-night-george-4

Yeah, I looked for a picture of him in glasses, but there aren’t many out there.

Dhani-and-Co-dhani-harrison-20857560-800-791.jpgImage Enlarger

I know it’s off topic – deal with it. a-hard-days-night-john-1

BTW, is that a portion of Neil Aspinall’s kisser between Ringo and Dhani or could this pic have been taken after Neil died (24 March 2008)? It won’t keep me up at night – just curious.

neil-aspinall

I always try to see if I can spot other people I know of in pictures of The Beatles.

I’ve tried FF, IE, and my Android phone and can’t see the picture, Zig. Can anyone else see it?

EDIT: Is this another snow day off for you, Zig?

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 2057
Currently Online: Von Bontee
Guest(s) 215
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9827
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8050
AppleScruffJunior: 7585
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6394
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2926
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5557
Posts: 384108
Newest Members:
pauls_wife_real, Paul_Mc, jprg13, cornflakesitter, itsjustme
Moderators: Joe: 5713, meanmistermustard: 25171, Ahhh Girl: 22677, Beatlebug: 18229, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5713